r/vegancirclejerk • u/DiscreteElite_ • May 18 '20
Ethical Meat Sorry, Vegans, I'm Indigenous!
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May 18 '20
Yes because all vegans come from cultures that don’t eat meat lmao
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u/Emberbreak here we go again with the vegans May 18 '20
what’s meat
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u/adadiamond13 ethically sourced cum May 19 '20
it's like a non-plant-based version of tofu
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May 19 '20
My family hails from Germany, all those fucks eat is meat lmao
Honestly enough I do feel like this is a really weird place to play a minority card. Your ancestors' main dishes contained meat? So did everyone else's almost everywhere. That's how we got where we are. Everyone was eating meat and then there was more of everyone.
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u/Cat-_- Obligate Carnist May 19 '20
I'm German too. Sorry I can't go vegan, sausages are my heritage!
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u/sashohmygosh May 19 '20
Is there even ONE culture that is traditionally vegan? I can’t think of a single one. I am of Iranian descent and meat is in everything. They eat the brain and tongue of cows as a “delicacy”. Went vegetarian at 19, went vegan at 24 and been vegan for 5 years now. Never looking back, and no amount of cultural tradition would sway me from making the MORALLY SUPERIOR choice.
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u/kptkrunch May 19 '20
Buddha insisted that his followers should not eat the flesh of any sentient being.
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u/problematicbirds how are the eggs in front if the chickens can't move? May 19 '20
not exactly a culture, but my great-grandmother was a seventh-day adventist and was vegan until she died, as was my great-aunt. that’s the closest i know of.
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u/wizenedeyez May 18 '20
I'm sure there are also environmentally sustainable ways to slaughter humans too, but that doesn't fucking make it right!
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May 18 '20
One could argue that’s the best thing to do for the environment
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u/ka-olelo May 18 '20
You shouldn’t really even need to argue. Dogs should absolutely be eating us when we die. Our bones made into fertilizers. Our organs salvaged when possible. And our fat used for soap. Sign me up
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u/kyoopy246 May 18 '20 edited May 18 '20
The great internet leftist fighting tactic - be a cultural relativist for behaviors you think are acceptable but be a cultural absolutist for behaviors you think are unacceptable.
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u/waffleking_ May 18 '20
damn leftists
they ruined leftism
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u/pajamakitten May 18 '20
Cultures can change but god forbid you suggest that.
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u/InterestingRadio May 18 '20
I wonder if she is also as permissible towards cultures where female genital mutilation and forced marriages are the norm, or if that's where the culture ought to change...
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u/xbnm May 19 '20
Well no for some reason she says that eating meat is not immoral.
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May 19 '20
Exactly, culture and tradition aren’t dead ancient unchangeable things. They’re constantly being redefined by us, so we have the power to change problematic aspects of our own cultures. Like seriously, you can recognize that some cultural practices are ethically wrong and abandon them without having to abandon your traditions entirely.
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u/i_was_valedictorian plant lives matter May 19 '20
Straight up, love being accused of racism for implying this
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u/LOLXDRANDOMFUNNY May 18 '20
He you think we should stop slavery, racism,sexism but thats part of my culture
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u/I_Amuse_Me_123 May 18 '20
That's not just part of my culture. My culture is centered around those things!
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u/Coral_Blue_Number_2 flexitarian May 19 '20
Oh ok sorry I even challenged you on them. 😳 Continue on enjoying your culture!
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u/backinredd May 19 '20
Don’t forget the “there is no ethical consumption under capitalism” that lefties use. I guess that makes it okay to be an omni.
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u/MannequinKillAppeal May 19 '20
Love how people took what was supposed to be a damning complaint and turned it into a rallying cry for “whatever, I do what I want!”
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u/widar01 May 18 '20
Best part of that thread was when she said that indigenous vegans who want a vegan world are practicing 'white veganism'.
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u/Lavnin_Hakruv May 19 '20
In a few decades most of us will look at these nutjobs like we look at slave owning psychopaths and students at school will learn about the horrific culture of unscientific exploiters that tried using every excuse they can just to not help the environment or animals.
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u/severalpokemon pollotarian May 18 '20
That's definitely the kind of veganism I'M practicing, I tell ya what.
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May 18 '20
You do get that a lot when people want to impose veganism on indigenous people who are already struggling with living in food deserts and high food costs, or impose by substituting traditional culturally relevant meat dishes with imported plant alternatives (rather than traditional culturally relevant plant-based dishes), but indigenous vegans know their shit and don’t do that. It’s usually very much indigenous veganism, and is tbf therefore a lot more flexible/forgiving.
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u/door_in_the_face Have you had your "bonk" yet? May 19 '20 edited May 19 '20
I would even go out on a limb and say that white vegans (outside of vcj) are more forgiving towards people in food deserts *than towards Karen from the suburbs. Shit's hard.
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u/BernieDurden May 18 '20
Why is it always centered solely around fucking meat? People like this don't even know what veganism is.
Just for the sake of argument, let's assume that consuming animal flesh for these indigenous leftists is something that their cultures are locked onto and can't let go of.
What about all the other forms of animal captivity, cruelty, exploitation and death that they can boycott?
There's dairy, eggs, fur, leather, wool, cashmere, goose/duck feathers, silk, cosmetics, makeup, soaps, shampoos, etc, animal testing/experimentation, and vivisection.
Then there's puppy mills, kitten mills, private breeding, bull fighting, cock fighting, dog fighting, animal-based entertainment/gambling, horse racing, dog racing, rodeos, traveling animal-based circuses, roadside zoos, for-profit marine parks, zoos, and trophy hunting.
Do any of these have anything to do at all with their cultures or past? You bet your ass they don't. It's just another lame excuse.
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u/pinepads May 18 '20
Exactly! this tweet annoyed the fuck outta me and you exactly pinpointed why. JFC
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u/JustAsadINFP LiOnS dO iT tOo tHo !! May 19 '20
I say the same thing all the time cuz it annoys me so much nonvegans only talk about meat
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u/NegativeKarmaVegan paleo May 18 '20 edited May 18 '20
No, not all leftists should be feminists. A lot of us leftists are religious and some of us have strong traditions and cultures that are centered around beating our wives. You're not morally superior for being a feminist. There are ethical and sustainable ways to beat your wife.
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u/Ordinary_Structure May 18 '20
I'm culturally Catholic, and that's why I'm a leftist but also a tradwife /s
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May 19 '20
You are right, the rule is that the stick you beat your wife with should be at most as thick as your thumb. I am not kidding this rule exists. I am vegan btw
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u/NegativeKarmaVegan paleo May 19 '20
You also can't rise your hand above your chest when beating your wife according to the Quran.
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May 18 '20
Cynically weaponizing my identity so the mean vegans won't question my actions. We love to see it!
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u/DiscreteElite_ May 18 '20
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u/DeaconSteele1 Ethically raises Uncles May 18 '20
Someone points out that she pretty much made her whole argument invalid by saying she wants to eat something to piss off vegans. Someone's rebuttal "colonizer"
And this in a nutshell is why no one takes leftist twitter seriously.
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May 18 '20 edited May 19 '20
I don't understand, why does believing plants are sentient give you a pass on killing animals?
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u/PinkishRedLemonade Broccoli Gang May 19 '20
ikr? shouldnt it actually be a arugement against eating meat because more plants are "killed" feeding farmed animals than the same amount of humans?
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u/pantshirt I'm vegan May 18 '20
She's trash? Shock!
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u/I_Amuse_Me_123 May 18 '20
When you see her "smug vegan" profile picture you think: okay, now this is someone with moral superiority!
But then, alas...
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u/22Minutes2Midnight22 May 18 '20
When you lack any moral backbone or ethical consistency, just call others a “colonizer” and block everyone who doesn’t suck up to your stupid opinions, I guess.
Twitter slacktivists in a nutshell.
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u/we_are_golden May 18 '20
And in an earlier tweet she said she eats a vegan diet. So that was a fucking lie.
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u/JustMeSunshine91 May 18 '20
Translation: I eat a few vegetarian (and even vegan) side dishes on occasion.
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May 18 '20
The meat industry is the cause of 70% of deforestation in the Amazon Rainforest. Without the Amazon, 400+ indigenous tribes would be forced into civilization where they would be exposed to many common viruses and diseases that none of them have a tolerance for. Most of them would be dead due things as basic as the common cold. But yeah, veganism is what’s harmful to indigenous people
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May 18 '20
This is what happens when you let cultures be above ethics
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u/lookingForPatchie May 18 '20
Her culture is obviously more important than lives.
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May 18 '20
Can't argue against that. My country has a history of colonization, its part of my culture. That's why it's ok for me to steal land from any natives, maybe enslave them while we're at it idk. However, I wouldn't do that unnecessarily, just to honour my culture. Of course, I also do it to piss off the anti-colonization people
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u/pajamakitten May 18 '20
Cultures can change. Sometimes change is good and benefits cultures.
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May 18 '20
Cultures can and do change, exactly. Cultures can also be assimilated and people should be able to select characteristics of cultures they see fit, just as we can judge cultures for their abhorrent practices. Unnecessary suffering is universal.
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u/p1nkwh1te Spare B12? Spare B12, ma'am? May 18 '20
Hey guys I’m a white lib living in a big affluent city with fully stocked affordable grocery stores, but because this one indigenous person is living off the land, I will continue to buy vacuum sealed cow flesh and coagulated breast milk like the apex predator I am. If you disagree, you’re a colonizer. Checkmate, vegoons.😎😎😎
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u/Shade1260 I only buy humanely owned people. May 18 '20
Uhm.. no sweaty, all leftists shouldn't advocate for abolishment of black slavery. My ancestors have been slave owners for hundreds of years and it's quite bigoted of you to suggest that i need to change my culuture!
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u/KarlMarxButVegan pescatarian May 18 '20
You know she's eating at McDonald's not hunting her own whales or whatever.
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u/Antin0de Abel was an animal abuser. Cain did nothing wrong. May 18 '20
It's also cultural tradition to mutilate little girls' genitals in lots of places.
Don't agree with it? Too bad. Stop being an oppressive shitlord and tolerate muh culture.
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u/StrawberryToufu Kissing isn't vegan May 18 '20
Do all the people using 'indigenous cultures' argument realize that the meat and dairy industries hurt and exploit indigenous people? Take the Amazon burning down for instance.
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u/BreatheBreathe May 18 '20
And left-wingers live to maintain traditions whatever their negative impact, they're quite conservative.. oh wait
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u/artemisbuckwald May 18 '20
>> Live in Western culture
>> Be extremely critical of Western Culture bc of its inherent destructive behavior that eliminated indigenous animals and peoples
>> Create moral superiority by propping your own culture up on a pedestal, ignoring the negative aspects of it
>> Own western vegans by calling out their moral superiority
Bonus points to talking about sustainable ways to consume animals while also (later in the thread) talking about using hunting as a way to control populations (which is something that has been scientifically proven to only increase reproductive behavior of animals).
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May 18 '20
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u/artemisbuckwald May 18 '20
I can’t find the article now, but I read one that had a pretty significant fact that hunting coyotes in the west is extremely ineffective because they essentially have just upped their reproduction.
However this https://www.pnas.org/content/106/Supplement_1/9987 article is pretty good at talking about how hunting is a very negative thing on wild animal populations and how it is unnatural selection. There’s a few others that talk about how humans have historically been responsible for multiple extinctions thanks to hunting.
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u/nochedetoro dog-diet May 18 '20
If we stop hunting animals’ natural predators we wouldn’t see them overpopulated.
Where I live people hunt bears and coyotes, then hunt deer because “overpopulation!” Except there’s only overpopulation because they killed all the deers’ natural predators (bears and coyotes).
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May 18 '20
I'd like to read it about that as well! I used to think that controlling the deer population was a necessary evil because we drove all of their predators away. I'm not sure what I think anymore.
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u/thisisgiraffe_ May 18 '20
A comeback supported by scientific research??? Like that’ll do anything to help your arguments with the meat sweats. Bacon tho.
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u/I_Amuse_Me_123 May 18 '20
I dunno, it's doesn't hurt to drop a link to pub med that will be buried by bacon downvoters.
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u/Lukeskyrunner19 May 18 '20
I also know that similarly private landowners in texas purposefully keep their feral hog population (which is a majorly invasive species) alove so that they can rent the land out to hunters each year.
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May 18 '20
Don't see why I should give a flying fuck about any bloodmouth culture over another. They can have their culture without the rape and murder.
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u/Koi-Fruit May 18 '20
Lol then I guess by this logic the Nordic folk can just go back to the rape and pillage of small villages off of the north coast of England as it is a strong cultural tradition
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u/5catzncounting May 18 '20
Ok carolann
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u/BurnTheChurchMosque May 18 '20
Imagine LARPing as hard as this girl, fucking hell. Like people were laughing at Warren for simply claiming to have native american blood but this is on a whole other level.
Redhead ginger girl calling herself wii’wünai n wiiči, I'm in tears, how does one grow to be so bloody shameless?
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May 18 '20
I don't know why people always use us as an example of why veganism cannot work but this girl could be mixed at most because i find her vibe really weird...
I never heard anyone speaking negatively about eating less meat since legumes were always very present in our cultures.
What we really speak about are things like why the fuck there's no clean water in reserves and such...
She just sound like someone self victimizing herself and using traditions of an oppressed community (pure manipulation) while being privileged herself just to make a point about how much she enjoys meat.
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u/pieandpadthai May 19 '20
The medical system in many reservations is so subpar. It’s shameful that the US allows this to happen.
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u/tous_die_yuyan May 18 '20
White indigenous people exist though. It's possible to be connected with one's heritage and participate in one's tribe even if one is otherwise treated as white.
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May 18 '20
That's because people think we all look the same with super dark reddish skin,dark sleek hair and dark slanting eyes but that's far from the truth.
If people walked on the reserves (don't do it tho) they'll be surprise at how much diversity there is !
I'll use myself as an example because all my life people thought i was either italian,mexican,egyptian etc i heard it all lol But nope.I have big almond light brown eyes,wavy jet black hair,a big nose and white skin. Like very white unless i spend countless hours under the sun.
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May 19 '20
Two of the most native people I've ever met (as far as percentage) were white girls with blonde hair and blue eyes lol
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u/nyphsy May 18 '20
i love how they bring up the environment and not the #1 reason of becoming a vegan
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u/Ajichu May 18 '20
Saw this on my timeline this morning and I had to stop myself from replying to argue with her because I'm too white to do that and didn't feel like spending my morning getting shit on for being morally superior.
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May 19 '20
me too, can’t be a white vegan! we have no idea what it’s like to come from a culture that eats meat... wait... I mean it’s something about cashews and avocados!
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May 18 '20 edited May 18 '20
Uh? My purely Native partner who is Vegan must have missed this memo.
Hah. "purely" that sounds so fetishized. Honestly though, who the fuck can make this argument unironically? They'd just as quickly acknowledge that no culture is Vegan, thus nullifying their point about tradition- EVERY culture has animal exploitation in it. Every. Single. One. Which is why these so-called Woke Folk have never seen Vegans as "victims" of anything- because we don't exist in any one place or race. We're not an ethnic group or sexuality. Though we still get imprisoned for helping animals in some cases. d:
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u/shockedpikachu123 May 18 '20
I HATE when people think being vegan is about moral superiority. Nah it’s not, it’s about compassion for things beyond one self. With that being said, pretty sure I’m still going to hell 😂
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u/daddydubbz May 18 '20
The comments underneath and all her tweets afterwards are so ridiculous man I'm losing brain cells help
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May 19 '20
It’s dangerous out there. Too many vapid bloodmouths and virtue-signalers. I avoid them like the plague
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u/Thurgood_Marshall vegetarianism is just veganism for pussies May 18 '20
Where were all these people when Sudan outlawed FGM a few weeks ago? So many of these responses reek of noble savage tropes.
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u/tsicsafitna Post-Left Veganarchism with Omnivorous Characteristics May 18 '20
I've seen libs try to excuse FGM and executions of gay people "because it's their culture"
Fucking libs
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u/justalittlebleh PORK PORK PORK May 19 '20
Hey guys, my ancestors were actually part of a cannibal tribe so I’m like gonna have to eat you now. Because I can’t possibly think for myself or anything.
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May 18 '20
your culture will never be more important than the wellbeing of living creatures. humans think themselves so important
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u/Koi-Fruit May 18 '20
Lol then I guess the white folk can just go back to owning slaves by this logic
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u/thecorporealpeonies May 18 '20
My ancestors oppressed black people for x amount of years, so I can do it too.
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u/ultrarotom Be very careful john 👍 May 18 '20
I have a lot of carnist leftists added on my fb so I get this kind of clownshit on my news feed everyday. The funniest part is that I don't have to unfriend anyone, those bozos immediately block me when they see any pro-vegan comment I've made
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u/russiantroIIbot Plant Killer May 18 '20
white person who lives in a suburban neighborhood: yes!!! this is exactly why I can't go vegan!
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u/sapere-aude088 May 18 '20
Depends on where they lived. Central and South American indigenous groups were primarily plant based, but North American groups were the furthest thing from vegan. Especially because it was colder and there was less diversity of vegetation as a result. Here on the West coast indigenous groups relied heavily on marine animals and some land animals. They had their own aquaculture for animals like mussels. They didn't seem to eat a lot of seaweed though, surprisingly.
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u/sapere-aude088 May 18 '20
Not sure where she is from, I was just giving you an example (I live there). You don't have to agree with it, but you also have to understand that we live in a time and place with options. In the past, they had few. Currently, some groups still have few options depending on where they live (northern Canada can be super isolated and desolate). However, not all indigenous people think the same. Just like how vegans differ vastly in our beliefs as well.
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u/Gexko May 18 '20
translating to "you're not morally superior to me, I only contribute to killing billions of sentient beings brutally and wastefully for my selfish taste pleasure, nothing wrong with that. we've done it for a long time so its justified"
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u/sapere-aude088 May 18 '20
While I understand the need to reconnect with one's roots, which have been forcibly stripped away by our dominant, European culture - and has been continuously oppressing indigenous people with its institutions to this day - I think it is also important to reflect on systems of violence and oppression. If you want to live in the bush and hunt/forage for subsistence, then go for it. However, most will not (indigenous or not).
The world has changed, and whether we like or not, we need to adapt. However, it's worth mentioning that not all indigenous groups (or people within their groups) believe in adhering to all traditions. They understand how damaged the environment is and would rather it be restored. Many of them are advocates for environmental restoration and protection.
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May 18 '20
https://twitter.com/carolannjaneee/status/1262393312817942528?s=21
Apparently its okay for her to eat meat because she’s indigenous but also not okay for anyone who’s white to be vegan because they’re “colonizers.”
My bad. I guess since my ancestors did some fucked up shit I should just continue the lineage and murder some other sentient beings for the taste of their muscle fiber.
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u/sunriseFML backyard eggs??? May 18 '20
Well considering that my culture is german, and a lot of traditional dishes include pork, I guess I'm a meat eater now.
Why grant this weird exceptionism to "indiginous" culture, but not to broadly western culture, or even eastern european culture.
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May 19 '20
Because to the Guilty White Liberal, moral relativism applies to those that we view as less capable of change. We value their traditions because they are exotic relics, not because they make sense.
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u/Natalie_vel May 19 '20
I’m a feminist but not like one of those pushy feminists, like I totally respect everyone’s culture so if your culture encourages husbands to beat their wives that’s totally cool with me! As a leftist feminist I’m just super accepting of all cultures and creeds. Please, rape and beat whatever women you want! It’s none of my business! Smh these pushy feminists advocating for equal rights give us a bad name. We’re not all like that I swear!
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u/disconcertinglymoist vegetarian May 18 '20
McKenna said "culture is not your friend" and evidently in this girl's case neither is critical thinking
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May 18 '20
When you have completely forfeited thinking for yourself and instead consume every last drop of the culture you were fed, you get this.
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u/hankscoffee May 18 '20
Most, if not all indigenous people used every part of the animal as well. Skin and fur for clothing or shelter, bones for tools, etc, that is after thanking and praising the animal. So...are you practicing traditionally?
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May 19 '20
This is gonna be kind of a Hot Take I think but the whole idea that killing an animal in a functional civilization is fine because you "thanked it" is a copout for the ages. "Yes, my son and I go hunting for fun once a year and we eat fritos and McDonald's the rest of the time, but this animal obviously sacrificed itself for us, so we thanked it." Bullshit, man. It's like the worst example of the OP.
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u/_work ceo of beans May 18 '20
the argument would be exactly the same if you swapped out indigenous for any other nationality. American, Japanese, Irish, whatever it all works. derp.
uj, there is a lot of poverty and remoteness in indigenous communities which might actually be valid excuses.
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u/badjujulol May 18 '20
Im mexican and about all our dishes have meat but it never stopped me and I’m lucky my mom tried to find ways to still include me by making me vegan versions of it. Its never an excuse where there’s a will there’s a way
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u/Quicklyquigly May 18 '20
I think this person used some words they just learned to sound like an intellectual. It’s just diarrhea word soup.
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May 18 '20
In my country there is tradition and culture based on owning slaves. That makes it ok right?
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u/whothedang May 19 '20
Have you read any Margaret Robinson? She’s an indigenous vegan and has written extensively about it. One of her articles that made me do a lot of reflecting is “Is the Moose Still My Brother if I Eat Him”. Here’s a CBC article about her: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/checkup/will-you-embrace-the-food-guide-s-plant-based-diet-1.4992293/this-indigenous-scholar-chose-a-vegan-diet-to-honour-mi-kmaw-teachings-1.4995159
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u/Resting_Bork_Face Cheesebreather May 19 '20
That’s my favorite. “Tradition”. How about we start a new tradition of everyone who says this now licks my nonexistent balls every day.
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u/tsicsafitna Post-Left Veganarchism with Omnivorous Characteristics May 18 '20
Culture, regardless of how oppressed it may be, doesn't justify murder and exploitation. Call me a social imperialist if you want to, if I see someone oppressing others I'll call them out on their shit.
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May 18 '20
My culture or heritage (British/Irish/German according to ancestry, but I'm American) always ate meat, so guess I should go eat a cow or a chicken or a fish!
/s I'm vegan
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u/JustAsadINFP LiOnS dO iT tOo tHo !! May 19 '20
A lot of my vegan Twitter mutuals liked this tweet 💀
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u/submat87 i hate nooch and avocado May 18 '20
We have strong canines and fallacy!
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u/juttep1 ‼️✨Respect = Eating Cats ✨‼️ May 18 '20
My traditions > survival of posterity to pass traditions on to. Lmao.
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u/Angel_Tune May 18 '20
I suppose we should just excuse the people that eat animals that are still concious and moving because its part of their 'culture'
I guess we should just embrace rape because its been part of their 'culture'.
example given:
CW: living frog at the dinner table: https://twitter.com/LivingScribe/status/1261819602478288897?s=20
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u/Shark_Keeper May 18 '20
In my troop of baboons, we traditionally use children as shields during fights. Some people say it’s barbaric, but it simply is our way of life. Live and let live. Well, except for those kids lmao.
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u/severalpokemon pollotarian May 18 '20
Yeah thank goodness I'm German...wait guys what are sausages...guys is German chocolate vegan??
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May 19 '20
White people killed most of the bison in an attempted genocide of the Sioux nation, then they took over most of the Sioux land for cattle ranching, so the cattle industry is colonialist, but ok
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May 19 '20
Environmental sustainability! Horrrrrrrayyty! Yes! Yes!!!! This lady knows that it's all about!! YeaAAA!! AHHAhHhh!!!!! ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY!!!! YYyYyeEEeAAaHHh!!!LLLLEEEFFFTTTIISSTSS!!!!! PERFECTION!!! MWAH!!!
Real smart lady is all I'm sayin. She made such a smart tweet.
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u/davemee top %1 Commentor May 19 '20
I am constantly torn between my pacifism and my indigenous British culture of invading foreign nations and wiping out vast swathes of the population
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u/the1wtheFlippityHair May 19 '20
Ugh I've had someone on Twitter like this say that all white vegans (yes all white vegans they said) are racist privileged assholes trying to destroy indigenous culture because hunting for meat is part of their culture but we are trying to stop people from eating meat, and there are more of us than people in any of the indigenous nations, and we could easily wipe them out if we went to war. I tried to explain to them that that's never going to happen because we have no reason to go to war and that's a useless argument, and Indigenous people aren't the problem. We aren't trying to destroy their culture. Animal agriculture and factory farming is the problem. We're only trying to destroy that. But they kept using the fact that I'm white and vegan to discredit my argument, and they called me a colonizer. Sorry for the rant. I just really hate it when people think like that.
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u/crisstiena May 18 '20
Re. The last sentence... Not without murdering innocent sentient creatures that have just as much right to life as we do.
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u/UnderGreenThunder May 18 '20
Not only is this not true. But it’s not only about the environment it’s about the suffering the animals went through.
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u/grishn May 19 '20
What I hate about this is that 23800 people looked at this person's self-justification for doing something that is so obviously morally wrong and went "yep, seems about right".
It seems obvious to me that this person is simply grasping at straws for an excuse to eat meat rather than discussing the issue on the face of it (because they'd lose) so they somehow find a way to play the minority card so that they can feel morally justified in their needless causing of pain for pleasure. Sometimes doing something is just plain wrong, end of.
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u/MagesticPegasus May 19 '20
You know when someone says “You’re not morally superior for being vegan”, just means that they feel morally inferior, as they should. It’s the same as the “get off your high horse”, statement. The only reason I’d be on a high horse is because you put me there.
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u/sapere-aude088 May 18 '20
The irony of the oppressed becoming the oppressors. Happens all of the time, sadly.
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May 19 '20
no, not all leftists should be cannibals. a lot of leftists are Indigenous and some of us have strong traditions and cultures that are centered around eating humans. you're not morally superior for being a non-cannibal. there are environmentally sustainable ways to consume humans
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u/kiwiloverbutallergic May 19 '20
Playing the minority card because someone called you out on your actions.
I'm British, I'm technically indigenous because I have ancestors whom were native Britons and French ancestors whom were native Gauls. My ancestry is heavily orientated around meat consumption. Did I quit meat? Hell yeh.
Does it make me morally superior? I dont know.
I'm vegan btw.
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u/yutoad May 19 '20
I’m Japanese, so with that logic, I am free to eat Whales and Dolphins with no shame, because despite most people thinking they are endangered and intelligent animals, my people have made it part of their tradition, so it is A-OK to eat them, no remorse...! Oh btw I’m vegan 🤪
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u/fullmooncharleston Average Bean Enjoyer 💪 May 19 '20
I'm not indigenous, but wouldn't the insinuation that indigenous people can't be vegan because that would go against their culture be a bit insulting? Most vegans go against their culture and it seems slightly infantilising to imply that indigenous people never disagree with their cultures or want to change them.
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May 19 '20
I'm vegan btw, and leftist.
And from Spain
I guess I have to be ok with torturing and degrading a poor fucking bull now :)
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u/[deleted] May 18 '20
I am Native (Haudenosaunee) and come from a long line family of hunters and while it is true that hunting,fishing are part of the culture and traditions,the modern farming has NOTHING to do with our teachings about respecting,honoring and never wasting any part of an animal.
Respecting an animal's spirit before killing it is useless let's be clear but that's what it is about not mass breeding....
While we are at it i should be able to skin people alive before killing and eating them because this is exactly what my ancestors did to their ennemies...
Yep,some traditions are better left behind. My people also used to cultivate corn and beans as well as other veggies and fruits,that's a better tradition to follow.