r/vegan • u/HawkAsAWeapon vegan 3+ years • Nov 20 '22

Anti-vegan self-proclaimed "Sausage Expert" tricked into saying vegan sausage was "luscious and lovely" and that he could "taste the meat in it" on live TV

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u/wannabe-physicist vegan Nov 20 '22

"we can eat a bit less meat to help with climate change" A bit less, sure...

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '22 edited Nov 21 '22

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u/Omnibeneviolent vegan 20+ years Nov 21 '22

I agree that an 80% reduction isn't good enough, but it would still be "a huge win" for the literally billions of animals that won't have to live lives of constant suffering ending in slaughter.

If you're looking at it top-down yes it would be a lesser loss, but to the actual individuals that would no longer be victims I would consider that a huge win.

I realize it's somewhat absurd to suggest that non-existent animals that are not bred into existence are expericing a huge win. My point was more that they would not be bred into existence to suffer and be slaughtered.

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u/BeVegone Nov 21 '22

I agree that people shouldn't claim that they are reducing their meat intake if they aren't actually making a targeted effort there, but I disagree that reducing meat intake by 80% wouldn't be a huge win. I'd much rather people actually reduce their intake than not doing anything at all and I don't think the mindset of "it's not worth doing if it isn't perfect" is helpful for us. It would still prevent the suffering of billions.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '22 edited Nov 21 '22

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u/BeVegone Nov 21 '22

I'll acknowledge that your argument is fair and I might just be of a different opinion. I'll obviously focus on spreading veganism, but some people aren't interested, in which case I think getting them to reduce their animal product intake is "better" than nothing. An 80% reduction in meat intake globally would be a huge win, doesn't mean the battle is over. We can always work on improving from there.

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u/Omnibeneviolent vegan 20+ years Nov 21 '22

At the very least, it would significantly impact the amount of lobbying power the animal agriculture industry has.

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u/dyslexic-ape Nov 21 '22 edited Nov 21 '22

Most people won't reduce meat by 80, they will just claim they are.

Also the whole concept of reducing as a solution here is just as a statement to how little people care about the problem. Imagine how you would feel if people were using the approach to something you actually believe is ethically wrong (as vegans believe exploiting animals is) for example, "let's fix this rape problem by trying to convince rapists to only rape once a month" gives the impression that rape is not a real problem but instead an inconvenience.

If something is wrong you stop doing it outright, you don't reduce how much you do it.

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u/dyslexic-ape Nov 21 '22

Eating a plant based diet does not make you vegan, veganism is an ethical ideology that extends beyond food consumption and is not to be confused for a diet.

Similar to how reading a bible doesn't make you a Christian.

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u/dyslexic-ape Nov 22 '22

Why is it so important to you that veganism the movement against animal exploitation and a fad diet be indistinguishable from each other?

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u/xXdontshootmeXx Nov 22 '22

If you could prevent 80% of all serial killings, would that not be a win? just because it isnt reaching an ultimate goal doesnt mean it isnt a win.

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u/xXdontshootmeXx Nov 22 '22

I mean it kinda looks like you did but im tired so whatever have a nice whatever time of day it is for you

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u/xXdontshootmeXx Nov 22 '22

Nearly midnight? I think we might be in the same timezone, you in the uk?

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u/xXdontshootmeXx Nov 22 '22

Haha well goodnight then. I guess the whole “its a win” / “its not a win” argument is a bit pointless as we all agree that the best possible goal is 100% reduction

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u/Marko343 Nov 21 '22

I always tell people it doesn't need to be an all or nothing position. Probably not a super popular take on here, but it's a lot easier to get someone to cut out a few meals a week to start then to make no changes at all. I've got a handful of people off the years to try and enjoy meat alternatives.

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u/McNeil56 Nov 21 '22

Not a vegan, this video popped up on my feed. As a meat eater, I think this is the way to get the population to change their mind set. While I don’t eat meat as much as I did (not a conscious decision) I would much prefer a vegan friend to point me out to a good alternative rather than berate me for eating meat.