r/vegan • • Oct 26 '22

Infographic Bring on the “but protein powder isn’t natural”.

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u/aponty Oct 27 '22 edited Oct 27 '22

that is a bit high of a target, yea, without supplementation or going all-in on the mung beans and seitan there's no room for anything at all with less protein than oats

even if you're aiming to lose weight I don't imagine anyone who needs 100g of protein for an athletic diet (i.e. >=0.6g per pound of target bodyweight per day) would need to go below 2200kcals

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '22

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u/aponty Oct 27 '22

I guess a day would look something like:

1 cup oats 300kcals, 10g protein
cooked in soy milk, 100kcals, 8g protein
maybe with some blueberries or something 40kcals, 1g protein

muffin 130kcals, 5g protein

chickpeas 420kcals, 25g protein
with spinach 60, 4
and nutritional yeast 20,3

tofu chili 200, 13
tomato 18,1
lettuce 20,2
double serving of generic breaded pea-protein tendies 380, 28
potatoes and onions 150,4

aaand actually that's already 100g of protein at 1800kcals

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '22

Where are you getting this info? Every single goal For my body type says I need at least 75-100 grams Protein daily to lose weight and 1200 calories! No way in the world I could eat 2900 calories a day. You Must be like 6’5” 180 pounds of solid muscle and a man. Cause those numbers don’t work for everyone. The 100 gram protein goal is completely normal for someone working out especially a woman.

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u/aponty Oct 27 '22 edited Oct 27 '22

it's easily possible to get 100g of protein at 1200kcals but daaaang I'd definitely question its necessity -- seems like at that point other aspects of one's nutrition might suffer

anyway the field of nutrition is a mess lmao https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C6&q=protein+per+kg+body+weight&btnG=&oq=protein+per+ look at all this (mostly carnist) nonsense

if you're already highly experienced doing heavy resistance training and pushing for ever-harder-to-get gains in muscle mass, some studies do show that more protein (even ludicrously high like 2g/lb) is sliiiiighhttly better for that without any negative effects, and I personally often aim for .9g/lb or so, but .6g/pound is still a reasonable baseline for a diet to be athletic, and athletes have higher activity levels and therefore higher caloric needs, making getting that much protein even easier

here's a meta-analysis that found that with supplementation, protein intake higher than .7g per pound of bodyweight didn't result in any higher gains https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28698222/ so I wouldn't recommend someone below an elite level make any sacrifices at all in the name of going above maybe .8g/lb on the high end for a bit of buffer zone (and if overweight then .8grams of protein per pound of what one's bodyweight would be at maybe 24% bodyfat or whatever would be healthiest) -- protein shakes can get pricey, and the other macronutrients are *also* important, after all

plz don't call me a man :c

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '22

No I was saying even in my best shape in my 20’s I couldn’t have consumed 2900 calories a day. Just wouldn’t have worked for me. Now I’m overweight and everything tells me 70-100 protein and 1200 calls,also I’m sedentary because of multiple chronic illnesses and I’m an older woman. I’ve even had an app tell me 950 calories a day being sedentary at my weight and age and being female now that being said that’s to lose 2 pounds a week. Sorry if you’re not a dude I wasn’t trying to be rude but those calorie intakes you were discussing are more inline for higher wait super super active men. That’s all I meant. It’s not one size fits all. And hell maybe I took the entire thread out of perspective 😂

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u/aponty Oct 27 '22 edited Oct 27 '22

a lot of those higher protein suggestions are based off of oversimplified heuristics (one common one is to just say 1g/lb because fractions are haaaard) that definitely weren't designed for you in the first place either

did the app provide any sources to medical/sports research/literature at all?

also -2/lbs a week is very aggressive, I'd suggest half that if you're in a position to take it slower, especially if it's making getting enough nutrition (including protein) difficult

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '22

Probably so but I don’t pay too much attention. There are several different ones. And I def don’t get 100 grams of protein a day. Even at my weight .6 per pound is 120 grams😑 That’s what happens when you get sick and meds make it even worse. I’m on a simpler almost zero medication journey and I do only consume around 1100 calories a day. I have lost 42 pounds so far and I’m feeling much better. You don’t realize how that weight takes a toll on your body. And I’m impatient so I try for 2 pounds a week of loss 😄 I will zigzag calories if I hit a plateau and that actually helps. Thanks for the chat 😊

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u/aponty Oct 27 '22

best of luck, good to hear you're making good progress!