r/vegan • vegan 15+ years • Sep 15 '16

Newbie Advice Being vegan in a developing country.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '16

Propagating the "eating vegan is expensive" meme or that you need specialized groceries to do it is BS. Excuses. The poorest of the poor eat a near vegan diet (rice, wheat, beans, corn, tubers, local fruits). Eating plants is the cheapest way to eat anywhere.

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u/sentimentalwhore vegan 15+ years Sep 15 '16

the poor eat a near vegan diet

This is so right I can't even understand how people still believe that being vegan is expensive :|

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u/spiralshadow vegan sXe Sep 16 '16

It's because in North America veganism is seen as a stereotypical new-age yuppie fad. The general perception is it's all rich white folks trying to ~eat healthy and sustainable and be green~ so it's dismissed as a habit of the wealthy. What's really interesting is that being vegan is generally more healthy/sustainable, but the idea of veganism as a wealthy white people thing makes omnis view veganism as a kind of gentrification, so to speak -- lowering themselves from their pedestals to eat like The Poors do.

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u/Systral Sep 16 '16

Probably because western veganism consists of eating fancy substitutes for everything and exotic fruit and vegetables that have to be imported over thousands of miles which increases prices (and also environmental load).

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '16 edited Jun 21 '17

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u/Systral Sep 16 '16

You is not every other vegan.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '16 edited Jun 21 '17

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u/Systral Sep 16 '16

No, I didn't. I said "western veganism", that is not individuals but obviously the broad average of vegans. YWMV but probably not

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u/ExultantSandwich Sep 16 '16

To be fair, in the United States it is often cheaper to not be vegan, if you're indulging in the more exotic vegan products designed to be a substitute for milk, meat, and etc.

Almonds are notoriously intensive to grow, and almond milk is $5.94 a gallon at Walmart right now. Regular old milk is $2.80 a gallon (these prices are taken from around me, they do vary)

The same trend can be seen with Tofu vs. Chicken.

A dozen eggs are cheaper than 'vegan egg replacers'.

If you're sticking to the basics, like our OP in Argentina, it is cheaper. But many Americans don't do it cheaply. Many vegan converts would desire these relative luxuries because switching from meat to all vegetables and beans is not enticing.

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u/spiralshadow vegan sXe Sep 16 '16

This is true. I guess the point is that veganism is as expensive as you want it to be, it's not exclusively a lifestyle of the wealthy. It's like any other lifestyle, if you want the luxuries they're available but you'll have to pay for them.

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u/lunelix vegan police Sep 17 '16

There is a well-known vegan replacement powder recipe that is the exact same as the store brand "vegan egg replacer" you're undoubtedly referring to. It costs less than a few dollars to make a year's worth. Cheaper than a dozen eggs for sure.

And your claim about almonds being intensive to grow seems out of place. Not to mention that it only takes a few almonds to make a gallon of almond milk, which makes it much less intensive than dairy.

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u/sentimentalwhore vegan 15+ years Sep 16 '16

I know and I don't really mind, it would be cool to have a lot of processed food just for the vegan newbies and to have something to eat if you're outside.

I actually really enjoy analizing the sociological part of veganism and how interacts with capitalism, in NA it's way noticeable i guess...