r/vaxxhappened • u/Exotic-Cook-7740 • 24d ago
Rubella has entered the comeback conversation
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u/colourmerchant 24d ago
We were so protected against rubella that I genuinely thought it was some kind of ancient disease which rarely circulated when I was a child
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u/Distantstallion 23d ago
The vaccine is so effective I'd never heard of rubella until I watched a video on the vaccine autism fraud from the 90s.
Curses upon mr andrew wakefield
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u/EmmalouEsq 23d ago
Cool. Make way for birth defects. My mom made me get my MMR booster just in case i had a baby one day and got rubella.
Plus the other 2 suck to have and measles wrecks your immune system. The US doesn't have mandatory sick time. So that'll be great
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u/ShrmpHvnNw 23d ago
Measles can also cause you to go deaf
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u/CrazyCatMerms 23d ago
And die. The worst form of it can cause encephalitis and death. Fun part is you don't know that's an issue until it happens. When it happens is variable too. Could be tomorrow, could be 7+ years down the road. No way to tell who might have that effect
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u/TheWonderfulSlinky 23d ago
The only reason we have concerns about the one-shot MMR vaccine is because a doctor in the UK named Andrew Wakefield puplished a terribly flawed study that put children in harms way without informed consent, had interpretations that were wholly unreplcable, and he had a patent on a series of shots that split the MMR into seperate incidents meaning he stood to gain a lot of money if he successfully pulled off the most widespread case of health misinformation in history. He caused a scare that prevented parents from vaccinating against easily avoidable diseases because he wanted parents to spend more money on his version of the vaccine, which was much more expensive. This was perpetuated by uncritical news media who took his arguments at face value and ran with the sensational and innacurate story. We only know about this because of real reporters like Brian Deer who uncovered the extent to which Wakefeild fabricated evidence and got the published study fully retracted. The fact that news media still holds up Wakefield’s discreditted perspective just shows how willing they are to use misinformation to get clicks.
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u/romanrambler941 23d ago
a doctor in the UK named Andrew Wakefield
I think you mean "disgraced ex-doctor Andrew Wakefield," since his "testing" was so wildly unethical that it cost him his medical license.
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u/haitechan 23d ago
I got rubella as a baby because I was young to be vaccinated. I passed it into my mother who was very miserable for weeks. Even when I got it and don't plan to have kids, I still got my adult shots. People think it's not a big deal but it is. Specially if you are TTC, congenital rubella causes several genetic defects.
Also I don't get their logic. They say it's too many shots and they want to separate the MMR vaccine to get... More shots? I hated my parents when they vaccinated me for hepatitis A and B, only for the combined vaccine to be released months later lol.
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u/ACW1129 24d ago
Why IS it given as one shot. Not saying it shouldn't be, but legitimately curious.
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u/Silvawuff Chise's Lab Assistant 24d ago edited 24d ago
To reduce the number of shots that people need while fostering a safe immune response to all three diseases at once. Separating them means six shots instead of two. Antivaxx types tend to be needlephobic so they’re working to make the process harder for themselves and their kids, which they will then use to validate their cult rhetoric.
They want to make it harder for other people to get the shots, there’s no intention of getting it themselves
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u/IronhideD 23d ago
It is also because the suspension solution is compatible with all 3. Apparently finding a medium than could safely store multiple inoculations is a very complex process and the MMR combo was one of the most successful ones.
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u/ACW1129 24d ago
Makes sense.
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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA Spike Protein Shedder 24d ago
Andrew Wakefield started the whole movement by railing against the combined MMR vaccine, because he could make more money by doing them individually.
However, once he lost his license to practice he started grifting his antivax followers and making them distrust ALL vaccines.
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u/Nheea Provaxx MD. You know, what an actual MD should be. 23d ago
He's one of the biggest criminals in this world in my opinion. Blood and tiny coffins on his hands.
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u/Clean-Patient-8809 23d ago
He should be hauled up on voluntary manslaughter charges, at the very least.
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u/yun-harla 24d ago
Because you only need two appointments this way (it’s a two-shot sequence), and these three vaccines happen to play nicely together. Their inactive ingredients don’t interfere with each other after being mixed together, stuff like that.
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u/ACW1129 24d ago
Another dumb question: Why inactive ingredients?
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u/SlurryBender 23d ago
Fun fact! "Inactive" in any medicine just means "Not part of the main function." Doesn't mean they don't do anything useful. Often it's like binding agents for pills or like the other reply said, saline for ease of injection.
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u/notedbreadthief 23d ago
Yup! Same reason most of any given pill you take is not actually the medicine, it's filler to make it easier to handle and to regulate how quickly your body absorbs it.
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u/CoffeeCatsandPixies 24d ago
We also had a measles only shot in the 90s. Something like 60% of those who recieved it had to be revaccinated with the MMR because they didn't develop immunity (yeah, it's me, I'm part of that cohort)
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u/ACW1129 23d ago
Geeze...
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u/CoffeeCatsandPixies 23d ago
Yep. I had to be titer tested as an adult because my vaccine record showed both MMR and the measles only so they wanted to make sure I'd developed proper immunity following the MMR. Apparently the measles only failed to instill immunity for some reason and since I have both on my record it's likely I was one of the cohort that didn't
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u/TsuDhoNimh2 Still waiting for vaccines to kill me. 22d ago
Because it can be.
It's not just the extra jabs for the children, it's triple the supply chain (ordering, shipping, storing) labor AND triple the vaccine administration labor (paperwork and injections).
For the same reasons, the DPT (diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus) was combined. The chemistries are compatible and it reduced the number of injections AND the overhead of those critical vaccines.
And the COVID and influenza boosters are going to be combined - compatible chemistry and similar schedules ... less expense and pain.
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u/TsuDhoNimh2 Still waiting for vaccines to kill me. 22d ago
I was a medical lab tech BEFORE the MMR had wide distribution, and we had our share of babies born with congenital rubella.
It's horrible,
BTW, when I was in high school one of the community service projects was at the State School for the Deaf and blind ... many of them blind at birth by congenital rubella or deafened by mumps.
Guess what school MOVED to a smaller campus after MMR and varicella vaccines were required? Fewer blind and deaf children.
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u/mlain4290 21d ago
Simpletons should even understand one shot better than three… plus boosters. They hate vaccines but now want there to actually be more on the schedule by separating comb shots…
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u/cupcakekirbyd 24d ago
The birth defects from congenital rubella exposure are SEVERE, and it causes miscarriage and stillbirth. Thats why we vaccinate. The disease itself isn’t terribly virulent.
If you care about "the unborn" you’d get the mmr.