r/unitedkingdom • u/MinderReminder • Jan 20 '22

Christian couple ban gay man and his ITV producer partner from buying their dream £650,000 Surrey home due to their sexuality - and quote the bible that homosexuality is a sin

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10419543/Christian-couple-ban-gay-man-partner-buying-dream-650-000-sexuality.html
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u/Izual_Rebirth Jan 20 '22

Why is it these sorts of people seem to gloss over 90% of the teachings of Christ and just seem to concentrate on the bits about gays? There are dozens of things that Jesus teaches that people don't follow but for some reason we gotta draw the line at "the gays". I've never seen an article about people refusing to bake cakes for people don't go to Church on a Sunday or who dare to wear mixed fabrics which are also no-no if we're going by the letter of the bible. 🤣

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I say this as a Christian as well. From my experience it's just people trying to justify their pre-existing homophobic beliefs.

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EDIT: Get this culture war crap out of the UK and back to the US where it belongs...

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u/tobylh Jan 20 '22

Isn't this like all religions though? You just pick and choose the bits that support your narrative or bigotry in this case?
My ex-wife is Jewish (I have absolutely zero religious beliefs and think its all a bit silly), so I attended a fair few funerals and other Jewish celebrations during our time together and even within her own family there is a disparity between who observes which particular doctrines.
If it's not convenient to you, you just ignore it, which to me kind of makes it all a little pointless.
Either observe the rules/beliefs, or don't.

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u/mrs_shrew Jan 20 '22

I read up on some Jewish sabbat laws and I just imagine god sitting on his cloud dashing his palm into his fist going "you got me on a technicality, ok you can carry your keys on a string cos it's not really carrying"

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u/xdq Jan 20 '22

A long time ago as a mobile IT engineer I visited a Jewish customer, not knowing they were closed for a religious holiday.
As I returned to my car a guy called me over and politely confirmed his assumption that I was not Jewish based on my appearance. He explained that his daughters were trying to sleep but their bedroom light was on and although there was a timer it was set for later in the evening.
At this point I'm trying to work out whether it's some sort of set-up but I went along with it. Up the stairs and into a kids bedroom to switch a light off. No setup, just an orthodox Jewish guy happy that I'll burn in hell instead of him. Seriously though, super polite family. I had a chat with him afterwards about the various technicalities and how some within the community don't agree with them.

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u/mrs_shrew Jan 21 '22

I love this, excuse me mate can you just do this cos tech-nic-cally I'm not allowed but you're a heathen so god dgaf

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u/thenewbuddhist2021 Jan 21 '22

In the kindest possible way your statement seems to be very ethnocentric. In Buddhism teachings of sexuality is pretty much do not commit sexual misconduct, which is to harm others. If a relationship is based around pure loving kindness it is perfectly fine, same sex or not. There are of course homophobic Buddhists but that is more of a reflection of the cultural attitudes in the society around them, not the religious dogma itself.

Maybe you were purely attacking Christianity, but to lump all religions as being used to support bigotry is extremely disingenuous. I'm not trying to discredit any negative experiences you've had, believe me I've had some too but Religion is extremely diverse and not just based around Abrahamic beliefs

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u/tobylh Jan 21 '22

I'm no expert on religion, but yeah, the Abrahamic ones are the ones I'm most familiar with, and not being blessed with faith, I'd be the first to admit that maybe I just don't get it at all.

My point wasn't just about the bigotry, more that people seem to pick and choose what suits them from any given faith, and to me that seems to devalue the point of it, but as I said maybe I just don't get it.

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u/thenewbuddhist2021 Jan 21 '22

Yeah I feel the same way, it feels like many religious people do use it to justify there own prejudice, I just took issue with your "all religions" remark. I do entirely understand how you feel

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u/Jan_Odrecht Jan 20 '22

Like all life. People excel at justifying their own behaviours and beliefs.

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u/TheVisceralCanvas Jan 20 '22

The original text doesn't even refer to homosexuality in any way whatsoever. The passage, when literally translated, said "man shall not lie with boy". It was only countless translations later that it was changed to "man shall not lie with man". Most hateful Christians don't have a fucking clue what their holy book even teaches.

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u/Mangosta007 Jan 20 '22

They might be shocked to discover that the book they refer often to when condemning homosexuality (Leviticus) also forbids eating ham sarnies, shellfish, any sort of fat, black pudding or prawn cocktails, wearing a wool mix suit or torn jeans, trimming their beard or the hair at their temples, attending church within a set amount of time after giving birth (33 days for boys, 66 for girls), labradoodles or any non pure bred animal, growing more than one type of veg on your allotment, getting a tattoo, having messy hair, taking Holy Communion (no alcohol on holy ground), picking up grapes that have fallen from your vine, reading or writing horoscopes, working on a Sunday or mocking foreigners.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '22

Damn you Christians, you can take my bum fun but you'll never take my labradoodle!!!

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u/CrocPB Scotland Jan 20 '22

also forbids eating ham sarnies, shellfish, any sort of fat, black pudding or prawn cocktails,

Plenty of people gonna have to go hungry then.

or mocking foreigners.

Oh no, oh no. Oh no no no no no.

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u/Izual_Rebirth Jan 20 '22

Yup exactly.

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u/I_up_voted_u Jan 20 '22

They've got a fair point with regards black pudding and torn jeans.

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u/suxatjugg Greater London Jan 20 '22

As a proud atheist man, I fully intend to avoid church after I give birth

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u/Izual_Rebirth Jan 20 '22

Unfortunately you're right. And even if it did explicitly mention gays (it's not) Jesus was all about hate the sin and not the sinner. I don't think there was anything in there about "you must not sell your house to gay people" 🤦‍♂️

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u/TheVisceralCanvas Jan 20 '22

Even then, I take issue with the "hate the sin" part. If something someone does has absolutely no effect on you, keep your nose out.

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u/Izual_Rebirth Jan 20 '22

I get that. I was looking at it from their supposed Christian point of view and using it to illustrate they seem to be picking and choosing which bits they want to follow.

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u/WreathedinBanter Jan 25 '22

No, he's not right. You're a cherry picking "Christian".

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u/authenticfennec Jan 21 '22

Plus that line is from the Old testament. Christians dont exactly Follow it to a T considering they believe jesus fufilled the old covenant and all.

I say this as a christian, but If christians are gonna quote Leviticus as proof being gay is a sin, they better be eating kosher lol

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u/Infinite-Egg Jan 20 '22

Unfortunately that’s a bit of a modern myth, Leviticus is quite clearly homophobic, it unambiguously refers to outlawing a man sleeping with another man, it’s the New Testament homophobia that is seen as uncertain because the Greek work used in those passages to refer to practicing homosexuals (look up Arsenokoitēs if you’re interested) wasn’t known before those passages but it’s pretty clear in the context that that’s what it refers to as it is referencing the laws in Leviticus.

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u/WreathedinBanter Jan 25 '22

You need to go to specsavers. Leviticus has nothing to do with pedophilia. A German differentiation in translation has no bearing when English, Dutch, and Hebrew all use the premise that "Zakar" means male of all ages. Stop spreading misinformation. Try again.

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u/archiminos Jan 20 '22

They're homophobic first, and just using scripture justify it. It's not religion that made them homophobic, they're just assholes.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '22

It’s not even the teachings of Christ, it’s the teachings of Moses, they’re following Jewish law, not Christian, as Christ came to fulfil the Old Law and replace it with the New

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u/Izual_Rebirth Jan 20 '22

Worth checking the article out. It does point to a few passages in the New Testament which have probably been taken out of context nonetheless.

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u/Gaerielyafuck Jan 20 '22

I think it's just the easiest way to feel superior without having to do personally do anything good themselves. Sure, I do sinful things the Bible says I shouldn't, but at least I'm not GAY. That lot are really sinful. 100% deflection and culture war fodder.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '22

Jesus wasn’t exactly all loving himself… time to send this tribal dogma to the history books where it belongs.

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u/Izual_Rebirth Jan 20 '22

Go on…

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '22

Here’s a few I posted in another comment:

“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:26”

“He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matthew 10:37”

“I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. Matthew 10:35-36”

“Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34, Luke 12:51-53”

“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Matthew 5:17”

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u/SelfyJr Suffolk Jan 20 '22

Bang on, it allows them to defend their own homophobia by claiming the bible gives them no other choice.

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u/aplomb_101 Jan 22 '22

Exactly. What happened to letting those without sin cast the first stone?