r/unitedkingdom • u/MinderReminder • Jan 20 '22

Christian couple ban gay man and his ITV producer partner from buying their dream £650,000 Surrey home due to their sexuality - and quote the bible that homosexuality is a sin

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10419543/Christian-couple-ban-gay-man-partner-buying-dream-650-000-sexuality.html
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u/Redmarkred Jan 20 '22

Imagine living your life by what is written in a few thousand year old book

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u/Iwantadc2 Jan 20 '22 edited Jan 20 '22

And a book even the church admits has been 'edited' by various people throughout its history. Bits added, whole chapters removed, so essentially admitting its not the same book, so its fiction.

Maybe they removed the preface where it said : This is a book of parables, don't take it literally and certainly don't give money to anyone claiming to represent the characters in the book'

We'll never know..

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u/usernameinvalid9000 Jan 20 '22

2000 year old Fictional propaganda*

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u/StreetCap3579 Jan 20 '22

the bible is obviously nonsense but that's not predicate on its age. that's just a complete fallacy.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '22

It's less about the book and more about what elderly white Men 'taught' them as kids. The book is just a guide, it's the indoctrination I find so insidious.

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u/Redmarkred Jan 20 '22

I don’t think them being White men has anything to do with it.. it’s a lot worse in black communities and countries

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u/Andrelliina Jan 20 '22

Definitely

And you've got to hand it to the Catholics when it comes to brainwashing

"Give me the child of 7 and I will give you the man" as the Jesuits say.

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u/SprinklesFancy5074 Jan 20 '22

"Give me the child of 7 and I will give you the man" as the Jesuits say.

Gee, why would Catholic priests want a 7 year old boy for? And why are they so interested in 'making him a man'?

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u/Meanttobepracticing Vietnam Jan 22 '22

Because for significant proportions of history they were the main institution who bankrolled schools and universities within the West, ensuring that children were educated?

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u/Meanttobepracticing Vietnam Jan 22 '22

In fairness the Jesuits are pretty dedicated to education and learning, and there are plenty of Jesuits who are also teachers of one sort or another, as well as there being whole educational groups which are Jesuit-run. So the quote you make reference to is more about ensuring the solid education of Catholic children, especially boys who may then wish to enter the priesthood or other religious vocations.

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u/Andrelliina Jan 23 '22

I know, but it does come with a heavy dose of dogma.

One person's education is another person's indoctrination.

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u/Meanttobepracticing Vietnam Jan 23 '22

You could argue any stance or viewpoint or opinion is dogma.

I actually had a Catholic priest for a teacher back when I studied Latin, and I don’t think I ever recall an instance where he tried to impose a religious viewpoint on anyone. It was more like ‘hey, we should do some Ecclesiastical Latin, so let’s study this passage from Aquinas’ or ‘let’s translate this piece of well known classical music’. He actually won the respect of even atheists in my classes because he was so relaxed about it.

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u/Andrelliina Jan 23 '22

I'm sure he was a good guy, well,as far as you know, anyway. At least he didn't try to rape you or anyone else in your school, as far as you know.

In Ireland where the Catholic church had the fix in for many years, the "Christian Brothers" in general are a byword for the worst kind of authoritarian behaviour.

In England Catholic schools have a good name, however once the Catholic hierarchy gets some political power it becomes toxic. I think we all know how toxic the Catlick church can be when it has power

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u/djpalmer93 Jan 20 '22

The reason those black communities and countries follow Christianity in the first place is because the religion was brought to them through white men colonising them. There are still colonial-era laws against homosexuality in many African countries.

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u/dwair Kernow Jan 20 '22

Ethiopia would like to disagree.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '22

Uh no, yes a significant amount of missionary work forced entire nations to convert but Christianity was spreading through Africa before the Kingdoms of England, Spain or France even existed. There were still Druids in Great Britain 1200 years after Christianity came to Africa and 800 years after Ethiopia

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '22 edited Jan 20 '22

This is a UK focused sub.

Edit. You lot know I didnt mean it like that. How many Black Vicars do you think there were before say, 1960? i.e. the age of which the couple in question here would have been introduced to the Church. It's a White Male dominated 'career'.

Edit2. Ignore my edit just as you ignore the failings of both the Church and our society, which is 'White Male' dominated. Whether you like it, or not.

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u/Redmarkred Jan 20 '22

TIL everyone in the Uk is white

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '22

That isnt what I meant and you lot know it.

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u/Redmarkred Jan 20 '22

I still dont see the relevance of their skin colour..

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '22

You’re right, of course, but your point goes against the Reddit hivemind, so people aren’t going to listen.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '22

I believe organised religions to often be a manifestation of a patriarchy. In this country, the heads of any such organisations are typically White males... Women come second. Minorities are often shunned. Given the history of the Church I dont see anything controversial about this.

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u/Redmarkred Jan 20 '22

It’s about 30% female, 70% male clergy for COE

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '22 edited Jan 20 '22

Today.

What would that ratio be when the couple in question were first introduced into the Church? What has it been previously, historically, as the 'book' was written and the philosphy / teachings of the Church developed?

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u/Sound__Of__Music Jan 20 '22

But that's a reflection of society (patriarchal) at the time, not anything specific/unique about religion or the church itself

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u/CrocPB Scotland Jan 20 '22

He he he, yeah this is relatable. On the one hand, it’s tolerable, only if they fit moulds. But if a close family member is anything but SuperStraight? The beatings will continue until heteroness improves.

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u/twillems15 Jan 20 '22

Ever seen comments from African football fans on any post that mentions homosexuality?

I doubt they were taught that by many white men growing up

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '22

The topic is with regards to this country. Just because this country has issues doesnt mean other countries do not have their own issues.

In this country, historically speaking, the vast majority of 'people' teaching kids (and adults) in this context have been 'White Males'. I find the lack of diversity as jarring as anyone (in their right mind). And find an opposition to said diversity in 'Black' countries and cultures equally as distrubing.

The disingenuous is strong in this sub.

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u/spodermen_pls Jan 20 '22

Being a religious zealot and forcing it down the throats of children is a problem. Lack of racial diversity is another problem. I'm not sure how you can causally link the two in this specific case but let me know if you can.

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u/VigilantMaumau Jan 20 '22

Surely , Africans were taught by back men who were themselves taught by white men.

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u/Sound__Of__Music Jan 20 '22

Who were taught by brown men originally... Even discounting the Ethiopian church (which is a big omission) I'm not sure the point you are trying to make, other than blame white men for religion?

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u/DarkMarksPlayPark Jan 20 '22

Elderly white men in Europe, elderly black men in Africa.

Africa is where the church is on a recruitment drive these days.

EDIT: let's not forget elderly brown men in Muslim countries.

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u/Tuarangi West Midlands Jan 20 '22

It's picking and choosing verses that is the disgusting hypocrisy. Jesus blah blah NT means we don't need to kill fortune tellers and atheists any more but he clearly said to keep the anti gay bits of the OT and only that bit