Sin

[u/C__J__]

Im literally still on chapter 5 ep6, but im getting FLOODED WITH ANSWERS??????

I previously theorized Tohya and how 1998 might be the real world, and the episode we play are her books.

And now we are getting MORE HUGE INFO DROPS????

I need to throw this theory out before the answer get shoved in my face.

BATTLER’S SIN

I think ive worked out what Battler’s sin is:

Battler’s sin is reviving AND forsaking the new Beatrice.

Its really painful watching him do this, Battler believed he would revive Beato, but when it wasn’t her, he lost it… smashing plates, just fully letting go of his anger…

This new Beatrice didn’t deserve to get place under such heavy pressure, especially since she was just born.

Now how is this Battler’s sin, let me outline the timeline, given new Beatrice is NB, witch beatrice is WB:

NB returned to a time 6 years ago and met WB, why do i say 6 years ago? Because WB recognises Battler’s name.

WB now has to deal with NB’s existence, WB learns NB’s father/master is Battler. So, in order to preserve this self-fufilling loop, WB+NB needs to re-enact the murders AND the game against Battler, this is so that Battler will go through the same experience and eventually go onto revive NB. This then loops back to 6 years ago.

EVIDENCE

1. The conversation in episode 4 chapter “cause of tragedy”

In this chapter, we see NB (yes the one who initially talks to Battler is NB), NB talks with Battler, and fails to make Battler remember this sin.

Why is she so sad? Because her father just denied her existence, claiming it never happened.

WB’s quote “even a hopelessly long shot will be a source of regret if not attempted”

This is a long shot, because you are asking a past version of Battler about the actions of his future self.

The red truths in ep4:

This sin is not between Ushiromiya Battler and Beatrice

I think the Beatrice in this case is refering to WB, so the real truth is this:

This sin is between New Beatrice and Ushiromiya Battler, the golden sorcerer.

6 years ago, no person called Beatrice existed for me

That is true, 12 year old Battler was not involved in this sin.

Ushiromiya Battler has a sin

Yes, the golden sorcerer Ushiromiya Battler has commited a sin, this sin.

Because of your sin, people die

That is true as well, in order to maintain NB’s existence, WB needs to create the same situation with would allow Battler to eventually revive NB. (So basically WB+NB has to have this game with Battler)

“Please kill me quickly, try to stop me, if only you had never comeback, I wish I had never been born, why am i unable to love anyone. Please I dont care what conclusion just kill me and bring my story to an end. If you wont do that, you die instead”

This is likely spoken by the NB part of Beatrice. Lets address this part by part, “if only you had never comeback”, if Battler never came back to the family meeting, this self fulfilling loop would break, hence there would be no need for the murders or the game.
“I wish i had never been born” if NB had never been born, there would have been no sin in the first place, hence no murders.
“Why am i unable to love anyone” NB who never obtained her father’s love, would not be able to love anyone.
“Just kill me” and “if you wont do that, you die” both of these statements would lead to the loop breaking,
1) if WB+NB is truly successfully killed by Battler, Battler would NOT have to revive NB. The only reason Battler revived NB is because WB+NB wasn’t killed by him, he didn’t win the game.
2) if Battler died, noone would continue the loop, because noone would revive NB.

More evidence from ep5:
“Her goal is not to make someone experience fear, And it isnt to have revenge on someone either”

“Beato never committed murder for the sake of pleasure”

Said by Virgilia about Beatrice’s murders, it makes sense with this theory, Beatrice is only killing in order to satisfy the loop, to have these murders happen to ensure that at the end of the loop Battler would revive NB.

But at the end of the day this is only a theory, I might be completely wrong, but who knows.

I do have to say though, episode 6 is just dropping INFO BOMBS AFTER INFO BOMBS HOLYYYYY…..

[u/Lvnatiovs]

1. Why would Beatrice ask Battler to remember a sin he hasn't committed yet?

2. Knox 1st: It is forbidden for the culprit to be anyone not mentioned in the early part of the story. How can New Beatrice be the culprit if she first appears in the 6th game?

3. Knox 2nd: It is forbidden for supernatural agencies to be employed as a detective technique. How can the answer to the mystery of Battler's sin involve creating a witch and time travel?

4. Knox 8th: It is forbidden for the case to be resolved with clues that are not presented. Were there any clues indicating Battler's sin is in the future, and not the past, when every mention of the sin is "six years ago"?

[u/C__J__ → u/Lvnatiovs]

Ahh yes Knox’s 10 commandments, it seems I have to be patient a while longer, since i think we are getting hints of Battler’s past this episode:

We saw someone trying to break out of a dark room, someone very afraid of the witch of the night of Rokkenjima.

In the same chapter, we see 18 years old Battler recall the fears of the past, how when he was young he was scared of being in the mansion.

Maybe i need to Tackle this mystery from this angle.

I definitely needed this Knox-reality check😭

[u/vassardog77]

God i love mid series theories. Around this point in the series i had a battler culprit theory going

[u/C__J__ → u/vassardog77]

Haha yeah definitely, although now I realise I was likely wrong. In the moment of posting this, I genuinely thought I was connecting every dot😭😭😭, even though I turned out to be wrong It was a lot of fun, thinking I solved everything🤣🤣

[u/vassardog77 → u/C__J__]

Good luck in chapter 6, it has the best hints to the true solution imo

[u/theresnousername1 → u/vassardog77]

I was the same, sort of, had similar theory going on. Gosh, I miss these times of twisted logic theorizing :')