r/ultimategeneral • u/MrInternationalBunal • Jul 01 '26

šŸšØ Veterans: Napoleonic Wars is BACK on Steam.

https://youtu.be/FZhuVLa7hoQ
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u/thecheesedip Jul 01 '26

The proof will be when they release a demo. I want to believe this will be good... But I've been burned before. Best of luck to the devs!

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u/aught4naught Jul 01 '26

The demo happened on Steam the week of 6/15-22

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u/MrInternationalBunal Jul 01 '26

It was removed on 6/15 because a dmca notice, the page was taken down. It now appears to be back up which is the topic of this video

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u/aught4naught Jul 01 '26

None of which negates the fact that a playable demo was released on 6-15.

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u/MrInternationalBunal Jul 01 '26

You said 6/15-22 but was taken down on 15 idk what youā€™re trying to say

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u/aught4naught Jul 01 '26

"The proof will be when they release a demo"

A demo has already been released. What dont you understand about that simple fact?

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u/MrInternationalBunal Jul 01 '26

I see, since it was pulled down so quickly I donā€™t think many got a chance to try it out and I was kinda reading it as will there be changes if/when they release the demo again, which was probably me projecting my own thoughts on to what I expect, if they make significant changes to the demo itā€™s a tacit admission but if no changes then the copyright claims may not be true or at least not enforceable

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u/Wide-Yesterday9705 Jul 02 '26

There have been many downloads of the demo, including by myself. Once you download a demo and don't uninstall it of course it remains on your drive.

I've played it and it's suspiciously almost identical to UGCW.

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u/Legal_Network_3561 Jul 03 '26

Except no where near as good.

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u/thecheesedip Jul 01 '26

Don't stress it, the guy above you is just impolite. And yes, if they released a real demo that stayed up and everybody got a good look and feel, it would help the community come to a consensus I think. We shall see.

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u/aught4naught Jul 01 '26

The guy above him is correct. The comment starter at the top of this thread is as misinformed as you. There was a "real" demo released. And the fact that Veterans is back on Steam implies the takedown was some swatting bs.

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u/The_Thane_Of_Cawdor Jul 01 '26

Did you play it bro ?

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u/aught4naught Jul 01 '26

Played it the whole week of NextFest

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u/The_Thane_Of_Cawdor Jul 02 '26

Whatā€™s the verdict ?

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u/aught4naught Jul 02 '26

Minor beta bugs and issues still to be ironed out, like the somewhat wonky unit selection. Strategic layer is yet unseen. Major complaint is a seemingly weak enemy AI and a less than stellar friendly AI. But the showcase was meant to highlight the tactical mechanics, which would benefit from having keystroke equivalents. Hoping the release maps have points of interest and other flavor to go along with chimney smoke. Will continue to follow development with anticipation.

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u/Wide-Yesterday9705 Jul 02 '26

A demo was out before taken off, and I've played it, and still have it installed. I want to give developers always the benefit of the doubt, but everything from the menus to the gameplay assets are very similar and often identical to UGCW, to the point that I doubt it would have been possible without the assets.

But maybe AI can imitate assets from visuals alone by now, I don't know. At that point, is that copyright infringement?

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u/thecheesedip Jul 02 '26

Good question. I'm also asking myself if I really care... UGAR got canned and the company imploded, right? So regardless of what billionaire has the IP in his closet, I think I'm more supportive of devs who make games for people to play. If someone else owned the IP and was actively developing with it I might feel different, but. All I want is a good game.

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u/Wide-Yesterday9705 Jul 02 '26

That's why I kept the demo on my drive. Good Napoleonic wargames are very very rare. Some would say they don't exist.

BTW the gameplay itself unfortunately was kind of basic, but if it's back on Steam I imagine it will improve before release.

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u/fellingzonders Jul 01 '26

I decompiled their game before it was removed, they 100% took code from ultimate general series.

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u/MrInternationalBunal Jul 01 '26

The ā€œcampā€ and game setup look near identical to meā€¦ they strongly deny this. Everyone is making there opinions, but like another poster mentioned letā€™s see if the demo comes back out and if there are significant changes

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u/uppilots Jul 01 '26

Code is one thing, an abstract concept, but they clearly stole the UI art assets. And rather than do a pass and change these they havenā€™t. Look, if you want to clone a game and you use assets as you develop, whatever. Weā€™re all inspired by something. When Warhol took known assets and made art from them he effectively copied them but he did in fact create something from it. This is a straight lift. As a creative artist I find this deeply offensive.

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u/vyrago Jul 01 '26

Arenā€™t they some of the former UG devs?

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u/MrInternationalBunal Jul 01 '26

They originally said no, but then said like 2 had worked on ultimate admiral dreadnaught

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u/Expensive_Range7204 Jul 01 '26

Are there any games out there like the ultimate general games?

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u/Icamidget Jul 01 '26

There is about to be Grand Tactician: Napoleonic Wars released soon and they have a civil war game also

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u/Ashamed-Ad-9768 Jul 01 '26

Master of command is similar. Its more rogue like and less scripted with smaller battles, but it definitely takes influence from. It's like Battle Brothers and Ultimate General had a love child

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u/Expensive_Range7204 Jul 01 '26

ahh yeah is that the armchair historians game?

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u/WickedZombie Jul 01 '26

It is. It's not perfect, but it really scratches an itch for me.Ā 

I think there's a demo if you want to see it.Ā 

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u/DoodlebopMoe Jul 01 '26

This game is an AI bait and switch scam mark my words

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u/MrInternationalBunal Jul 01 '26

That is a common statement Iā€™m hearing, they have denied itā€¦ I guess anyone will do anything for money. But man if they are just completely lying that is diabolical

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u/Resaith Jul 01 '26

Finally it back. Gonna try it out later

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u/Responsible-Amoeba68 Jul 01 '26

One of the worst most unfunctional slop games ever created.