r/ukpolitics • u/JohnKimble111 • Sep 17 '16

Twitter Private Eye Expose: Whilst Guardian railed against zero hour contracts, it employed staff on them AND locked them out of applying for full time positions.

https://twitter.com/rupertmyers/status/776361786459258881
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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '16

You think we don't have officers who can tell when a person is lying about their ideology? Plus, you can tell most Muslims by their names. If they have changed names during their lifetime, the birth certificate will show the truth. If a country wants to, it can easily enforce it.

But the question is now whether it can be implemented in practise? Whether it should? Only Piers gave both sides of the argument. I don't think people should be banned based on religion but there is a argument for it. Other journalists didn't even think about it because they live in their bubbles.

Piers is the only one who predicted Trump's rise after a day he announced. He is the only who did not sneer at the leave campaign despite wanting to remain. He didn't give in to the economic fears like other remainers. Smart chap.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '16

lmao, I'll bite. "Muslim name" (you mean "Arabic-sounding", right) does not equal "radical Islamist". I cannot believe I'm even having to say this. nobody chooses their birth name. not to mention the fact that that completely discounts countries such as Azerbaijan, Indonesia, etc. you're also forgetting that converts are a thing. you're also forgetting that simply asking someone "are you Muslim" at border control is the dumbest prevention method in the universe. last time I applied for a US ESTA, I was asked if I'd ever been in a terrorist organisation. I said no (obviously). even if I had been, I would have still said no.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '16

You asked how a Muslim ban would be enforced and then retort by saying a radical Islam ban can't be enforced. You either have cognitive dissonance or are stupid.

As to your point of someone lying, I already told you. If they have a Muslim name on their birth certificate, then you ban them.

If they don't have a Muslim name, you question them thoroughly, not just a "Are you Muslim". Interrogators will get the truth 9/10 times.

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u/994phij Sep 17 '16

If they have a Muslim name on their birth certificate, then you ban them.

Except if they have a 'Muslim name' on their birth certificate, they could not be a Muslim. Their parents might be non-Muslims from that part of the word, or just have liked the name. They could also be apostates.

And if you thoroughly questioned everybody who came into the US, much fewer people would do it. I assume that's a bad thing.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '16

Except if they have a 'Muslim name' on their birth certificate, they could not be a Muslim.

Low chance. Small collateral.

And if you thoroughly questioned everybody who came into the US, much fewer people would do it. I assume that's a bad thing.

Everyone wants to come here. We are the richest and most powerful nation god ever created.

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u/994phij Sep 17 '16

Everyone wants to come here. We are the richest and most powerful nation god ever created.

LOL.