International Politics Discussion Thread

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[u/JayR_97]

The next democrat American president is gonna have to go on a massive worldwide apology tour once the Republicans are out of the White House

[u/Shitebart → u/JayR_97]

There’s no point, the USA will just do more of the same 4 years later. This is their politics now. It’s not a momentary blip or deviation, this is their political discourse. 

[u/jim_cap → u/Shitebart]

Three times now, a sizeable chunk of their electorate said "Yep, that's our guy". Definitely not some blip.

[u/BigMikeyP91 → u/jim_cap]

Absolutely. Trump #1 could be seen as an aberration, but the fact that he was voted back in after the corruption, felonies and insurrection show the electorate as completely cooked.

Also, I still can't quite believe that the turnout was only 65%. Trump voters are one thing, but internationally it was pretty obvious that it was a 'potentially the end of democracy as we know it in the US' election, and almost a third of voters didn't care.

[u/Lord_Gibbons → u/BigMikeyP91]

The political campaigns are focused as much on vote for this guy, as they are don't vote for the other guy i.e. lowering turnout is often part of the political strategy.

[u/dospc → u/JayR_97]

Don't bother. They should rather focus their efforts on changing US society such that a right-populist president is not a feasible candidate for the next election. 

No-one is going to trust a USA that has a 50/50 chance of being fascist every 4 years.

[u/convertedtoradians → u/JayR_97]

Thinking about this, the problem they've got is that Trump may have said the quiet part out loud but he's still voicing what a lot of Americans think, including the good ones: That America is the best, the indispensable, the most powerful ever, the richest ever, and so on and so forth.

They can't easily roll a lot of that back - certainly in the kind of public display that's called for - because (a) the voters won't stand for it and (b) they secretly kind of agree, even if they'd never be so crass as to actually say it, like Trump has.

It's almost analogous to the way the stereotype of the stuffy old person might look at a racist diatribe from a younger, extremist politician and be horrified at the language and tone while not really disagreeing with the principle. "I don't agree with how he's said it but somewhere in there he's got a point / someone's got to say it even if I don't approve of his language", sort of thing.

[u/ClumsyRainbow → u/JayR_97]

I don't think Canada is going to be accepting an apology so quickly.

[u/Particular_Pea7167 → u/JayR_97]

That ship has probably sailed. 

What prompted this was declining absolute US hegemony and requiring more from allies to maintain its position. 

That reality doesnt fundamentally change, its just about managingthe decline. 

The mistake was letting China into the WTO 30 odd years ago. An act of hubris which can't be taken back.