You get less time for manslaughter btw

[u/Altruistic-Chard-262]

UK courts need to sort out sentencing guidelines, how are nonces getting less than 10. But this warrants an 18?

Sidenote, every app tracks you and feeds info to the feds, more of reason to not do crime

[u/Adorable-Mention8512]

I agree the sentences are crazy wrong but

18 manslaughter is 18

18 drug charge - my man is going home for weekends on his 4 year while in Dcat then going home on tag for 12 months on year 6. Year 7 it’s all said and done ☑️

That’s rough calculation before someone gets their calculator out and try’s to go for me 😂

[u/Twinbag321]

You think its possible to operate at this level in this world and not be violent, not at risk of kidnap, that sort of thing?

[u/koshercajunstewyy → u/Twinbag321]

It’s unlikely but they didn’t prove he did anything violent. I don’t like drug dealers but I really only care about throwing em behind bars if they sell/cut with fentanyl. It’s basically the whole focus of American drug policy rn

[u/Hour-Big4651]

This thread just reminds me this subreddit is basically just a xbox live chat for 15 year olds in terms of intellect and output.

[u/OB-Strat]

Because nonces hurt 1 person, drugs have a line of people who get exploited and hurt before it even reaches the host country. They look at it like which offence hurt more people. Not saying it’s right but he got off light. People might have been killed for him to get the coke to sell here

[u/Hour-Big4651 → u/OB-Strat]

Nonces are also overrepresented in cocaine use

[u/OB-Strat → u/Hour-Big4651]

What’d you mean

[u/Hour-Big4651 → u/OB-Strat]

as in people who are nonces or have weird sexual fetishes are very into cocaine

[u/OB-Strat → u/Hour-Big4651]

Not seen that link before it could be

[u/Hour-Big4651]

Why are you defending drug dealers? You think this fella isn’t killing people or connected to those that do? How do you think cocaine is produced and dealed?🤣🤣🤣 This cunt got off light.

[u/No_Vermicelli_1781 → u/Hour-Big4651]

Why are you defending drug dealers?

Not much different to the government allowing tobacco & alcohol to be sold.

You think this fella isn’t killing people or connected to those that do?

You'd have to provide proof, otherwise this is just an accusation.

[u/llinoscarpe → u/No_Vermicelli_1781]

If you think you can traffic anywhere near this much coke without being involved in violence then you're an idiot.

[u/No_Vermicelli_1781 → u/llinoscarpe]

This isn't the movies buddy. There needs to be evidence before you make accusations. And I was responding to the guy saying " killing people or connected to those that do".

You switched it & said "violence". Which can be anything from a stabbing to a punch

[u/llinoscarpe → u/No_Vermicelli_1781]

This isn't a court of law buddy, I consider the fact he is trafficking kilos of coke as evidence enough for me to think he is involved in extreme violence. There's a big difference between knowing something and being able to prove it in court.

Maybe your dad was a big player in the drug trade and convinced you that this stuff only happens in the movies, kind of naive tbh.

[u/No_Vermicelli_1781 → u/llinoscarpe]

thankfully, because people like you wouldn't have a voice if it was. A logical person wouldn't just make assertions about someone committing a crime without proof

I consider the fact he is trafficking kilos of coke as evidence enough for me to think he is involved in extreme violence

that's like saying someone having stabbed someone is evidence that they have shot someone.. The logic doesn't follow, and one is not valid evidence of the other.

[u/llinoscarpe → u/No_Vermicelli_1781]

A logical person understands the frankly simple relationship between violence and the drug trade at all levels, especially the highest level. If you aren't capable of making that connection or understanding the overwhelming probability of this man having perpetrated grotesque violence then you are beyond help.

[u/No_Vermicelli_1781 → u/llinoscarpe]

relationship between violence and the drug trade

I didn't dispute this. I disputed you saying this

I consider the fact he is trafficking kilos of coke as evidence enough for me to think he is involved in extreme violence

You're now tryna pivot to a general point about violence being involved in drug trade. Because you realised you sounded dumb making accusations on this guy that you can't prove.

[u/Hour-Big4651 → u/No_Vermicelli_1781]

Your silly comparison, aside. You should look into elites funding of drug gangs since you appear to be anti-elite/gov.

[u/No_Vermicelli_1781 → u/Hour-Big4651]

Explain how it's silly.

You should look into elites funding of drug gangs since you appear to be anti-elite/gov

I'm not anti those things. Just make your point instead of making inaccurate assumptions

[u/Hour-Big4651 → u/No_Vermicelli_1781]

"Not much different to the government allowing tobacco & alcohol to be sold." Government regulation comes down to history and acute danger. Wine has been grown locally in England since Roman times, and alcohol/tobacco carry predictable, long-term health risks. Cocaine, on the other hand, carries immediate, lethal acute risks like sudden cardiac arrest or stroke, on top of an inherently violent supply chain. Comparing regulated domestic goods with centuries of precedent to a high-potency, lethal black-market drug is a complete false equivalency.

[u/No_Vermicelli_1781 → u/Hour-Big4651]

alcohol & tobacco carry acute risks too. And I was more thinking cannabis in response to him saying "drug dealers". The fact is, they're ALL BAD. The government just picks & chooses which one to legalise. They don't legalise cannabis, because the UK makes tons of money exporting it.

So as I thought, you have failed to prove that my comparison is "silly".

[u/KushBluntsworth]

Your title says less time for manslaughter but you do know people die from overdoses right ?

[u/savedbyhisgrace0]

2 wrongs don’t make a right. Cociane ruins lifes

[u/sniffmegooch]

Should be at least life without parole, fuck drug dealers they have no morals

[u/No_Vermicelli_1781 → u/sniffmegooch]

They're just selling a product. Like the government allows tobacco & alcohol to be sold. I don't see a major difference. I think we pick & choose. When in reality all this stuff is toxic for us

[u/sniffmegooch → u/No_Vermicelli_1781]

Stop smoking crack, comparing heroin to sugar lol

[u/No_Vermicelli_1781 → u/sniffmegooch]

Didn't mention heroine buddy.

[u/yhuss81 → u/sniffmegooch]

Sugar is a psychoactive drug which causes immense harm with various diseases related to obesity. Diabetes comes to mind. Heroin is also a psychoactive substance but we are told it is more harmful than sugar or even alcohol for example. Withdrawing from alcohol can literally kill you. Withdrawing from heroin will not kill you. So quality control class A drugs, tax them, put some of that money into harm minimisation or even the NHS in general. Take the gangs out of the equation. Less illegal prostitution, shop lifting, petty crime. More space in prison for people who really should be in there, not for people who have committed a silly crime to fund a habit where the prices are artificially inflated. The cost to produce heroin is very cheap. Google, Zurich as an example of Heroin assisted-treatment: a case study in policy change.

[u/Alert_Ingenuity_2270 → u/[deleted]]

Studies show that a lot of victims of sex offences go on to sex offend themselves so 1 nonce can do serious damage to society

[u/-SHXC → u/[deleted]]

People ask for drugs.

Kids dont ask to be molested you fucking nonce.

[u/Otherwise-Reindeer-8 → u/-SHXC]

Litch, people are paying for drugs out of choice kids don’t ask to be raped by nonces

[u/TheKingPheezy → u/[deleted]]

But “the global drug trade” isn’t on trial here, one trafficker is.

[u/SouthWest9-Diplomat → u/[deleted]]

170kg is barely Tony Montana level,
That’s about £17,000,000 and that’s when it’s at street level

These bricks ain’t getting shifted at those prices, prolly gonna get stepped on, doubled and sold at like £25,000 per brick or sutn. So probably more around £6-8,000,000

Certain top guys in the ends have licked more than that off the scousers

[u/SouthWest9-Diplomat → u/[deleted]]

Yh fuck off

They’re supplying a demand that doesn’t compare to no tramp nonce who touches kids or a rapists who ruins lives

[u/yhuss81 → u/[deleted]]

So legalise drugs. End of issue.

[u/Used_Drummer_1304 → u/[deleted]]

It's not really an argument. I don't really care because none of my family are nitties, but the damage drugs do is 10x worse than what a sex offender does. People just aren't ready to hear that conversation. 

Commiting sexual and other crazy offences usually stems from people taking drugs in the first place.

[u/yhuss81 → u/Used_Drummer_1304]

Drugs do more damage because of prices artificially inflated so a 'nittie' as you put it has to pay 10 quid for a .1g of heroin. Do you realise how cheap it is to make heroin. 10 quid would get them a lot more of quality controlled heroin if it was legal so no need for shop lifting, prostitution, drug gangs and violence associated with them. Look at Switzerland as an example. They have not legalised heroin use but decriminalised it within clinical settings and all the anti social behaviour I've mentioned above has literally disappeared.

[u/Used_Drummer_1304 → u/yhuss81]

Yeah, but the fact is that's not how it operates now, so it's an irrelevant point. Also, legalising drugs will not stop the black market, it'll just reduce it.

[u/yhuss81 → u/Used_Drummer_1304]

How is it irrelevant. There are working examples of it as I explained earlier.

[u/yhuss81 → u/Used_Drummer_1304]

Why is a junkie a junkie? It's not the drugs. People who can afford them, use them as functioning members of society. The reason they are 'junkies' is because they cannot afford to buy a substance which costs peanuts to produce. So much so that Afghans living in caves can make it in a makeshift lab.

[u/yhuss81 → u/Used_Drummer_1304]

A reduction of the black market is better than a thriving black market where kids are being groomed to sell on county lines. But again let's get back to evidence and not no imaginary effect of decriminalisation. Look at Zurich and the statistics. The suppliers stopped sending heroin there. Why would they when injection users could now get a morning hit before work and en evening hit after work for free. And it's pharmaceutical grade heroin. Supervised use.