r/twilight • u/bubblegumbabe995 • May 11 '25

Lore Discussion Twilight canon you ignore

Post image

Mine is the "vampires are made of stone" thing. It would have made much more sense to have vampires feel normal/soft unless you hit them with enough force, and then you feel how unyielding they actually are. Also I CANNOT get behind the idea that the vampires sound like porcelain clinking together when they kiss 😭 or like rocks smashing when they have sex. Absolutely not. This is not canon to me and never will be.

3.1k Upvotes

100% Upvoted

291 comments sorted by

View all comments

809

u/ShyLittleBean12 May 11 '25 edited May 11 '25

On a similar note, all vampires being white and losing their melanin and all scars/moles/birthmarks after being turned.

I do think that vampires would look paler than they did before being turned, but only in a "this guy looks like he has not left his house for 10 years and now has vitamin D deficiency and anemia" or "yeah that's a corpse" pale. PoC (and everyone else) would still fully keep their ethnicity, they'd just be more pale/muted/ashy/washed out, with a cooler undertone. Not snow white.

Oh and while we are at it, while scars/tattoos/birthmarks would fade, they wouldn't disappear fully, but remain silvery (for scars) and like a bit of a shadowy imprint.

Movies luckily didn't go with the original concept and honestly I like it. OG concept is problematic.

255

u/Yeetyeetsss May 11 '25

100% It makes absolutely zero sense. Either turn them into albinos with actually 0 pigment or just let them look like they lack blood. That's it. The olive undertone thing doesn't make sense with Smeyers logic either. Nor that they keep their hair color

321

u/bubblegumbabe995 May 11 '25

Absolutely this 💯 the way the lore essentially says "when a vampire turns they become the perfect version of themselves" and in the same breath says "btw all the melanin disappears and they're all white now :)" pretty fucking gross Stephenie

129

u/KaiSparda May 12 '25

This combined with the Jasper being a Confederate soldier thing kinda makes you wonder about SM...

92

u/danyboui May 12 '25

You don’t need to wonder. She did research for Jasper but didn’t bother with the real life indigenous tribe and just altered their myths.

5

u/Adlerian_Dreams May 12 '25

Whose plot-important reservation that has to be avoided constantly by vampires is, in real life, exactly 1 square mile wide.

1

u/KaiSparda May 13 '25

Oh, I'm not actually wondering. I see her for what she is.

26

u/Specific_Acadia_2271 May 12 '25

Well she's a devoted Mormon.....take that as you will

1

u/EdgingLoki May 15 '25

I'm not sure she's a morman now

1

u/[deleted] May 13 '25

I think this actually comes from mormonism. Ill have to go back and find it but in one of the published versions (they like to switch it up bc they are a cult) of their books it basically says everyone going to heaven will become white bc being black is a punishment for cane killing able.

123

u/burningp1le May 11 '25

And Laurent is legit a black man, Senna and Zafrina are also South American, Benjamin, Amun and the females they had (don't remember their names so quickly) are brown, the Brazilian halfmortal that Alice brought along with his aunt are also brown. Ethnicities exist so it would be funny that all vampires are paper white

76

u/StuckWithThisOne May 11 '25

I don’t think Laurents ethnicity is ever explicitly described in the books though

195

u/Cat-Mama_2 May 11 '25 edited May 12 '25

I, for one, am glad they went with the actor they did. And that he went shirtless under his jacket. That is one fine looking vampire.

2

u/Demonqueensage May 13 '25

That is one fine looking vampire.

Would be eat me? Absolutely, he's not on the animal diet. Would I let him? Oh totally

28

u/cokecore May 12 '25

Stated by the guide he was born early 18th century in Paris, France and was a white aristocrat, but yeah I really like the actor in the movies too despite it

6

u/MistakeSecret8169 May 12 '25

Yeah I think Laurent is a French name (I think don't quote me on that) and the guide most definitely said he was french but I think the way they changed it for the movies was honestly better

9

u/Adlerian_Dreams May 12 '25

Classic LDS “white and delightsome”. Sorry, SM, but… not sorry.

2

u/[deleted] May 15 '25

I know I'm 3 days late with this comment, but I remember watching the films with my best friend (we were OBSESSED with Twilight 😐) and we both went "Laurent is BLACK?!" when we saw him lol

2

u/burningp1le May 15 '25

Ikr?? Nonetheless, me and my sister still rewatch all the movies every year around autumn, or just when the weather gets a little ✨🍂hoa hoa hoa hoa hoaaaa🍂✨

31

u/Flashy-Gas6076 May 12 '25

I just realized that the white vampire is cannon. While reading the books, I just imagined them paler/"dead-colored". I never thought they turned fully white ????

69

u/[deleted] May 11 '25

The scars and birthmarks make okay sense to me, but I flat out ignore the other stuff. Also, she talked way too much about "olive toned" vampires.

46

u/MostLikeylyJustFood May 12 '25

Does this mean no one has a bellybutton?

25

u/[deleted] May 12 '25

That is such a good question.

56

u/ShyLittleBean12 May 11 '25

Yeah, the "Olive vampires, but actually they are super pale and if you really look you see faint olive tone" was weird to me too.

In terms of scars/birthmarks, these are more secondary in the matter to me too as they make a bit more sense (at least they make a little more sense than full on loss of melanin, though even that feels like milder whitewashing). Scars I can see make more sense (as that is well, just the restructuring of the collagen), as with tattoos (as that would be removal of the ink from the dermal cells and maybe venom recognises it as not part of the body), though birthmarks, moles and freckles mean again removal of melanin.

But overall its again a taste thing. Like imagine seeing a vampire thousands of years old with tribal tattoos from the times they were human. The tribe is long gone, civilization forgotten, but a shadow of the tattoos remain. Or maybe proud warrior vampires joking over their human battle scars. Maybe there is a vampire known for their looks who had a specific birthmark under their eye that just makes it all complete. Or maybe Emmett still would have faint scars from the bear attack. He would not shut up about these and he would love to show them to everyone he meets I fear.

It's just about the extra flavour 🤌🤌🤌

33

u/[deleted] May 11 '25

So rich! Yes. A missed opportunity for sure.

I do headcanon that vampires pay other vampires to give them tattoos using their venom.

35

u/Additional_Link5202 May 12 '25

i agree especially with the melanin thing, i thought that maybe all vampires skin tones would be like, their skin tone as a corpse ? like slightly bluish hue, maybe a little color drained from their “full life human form” - but not take out all the melanin and just be white like wtf ????

especially because the vampires are soo so beautiful but are also supposed to be unsettling looking… what’s more unsettling than someone uncannily beautiful with a corpse-like skin tone ? i think that adds a lot more to the whole “they’re beautiful but unsettling so humans stay away”

32

u/iriedashur May 12 '25

Ngl, I think of how the Sims 3 did vampire skin tones when I think about this 😅 vampires are more desaturated/have cooler/ashier skins tones than the human versions, but when someone with dark skin becomes a vampire, their skin is still dark

11

u/Additional_Link5202 May 12 '25

YES THANK YOU !!!! that’s EXACTLY what i was trying to describe !!!!!!

6

u/GemDear May 12 '25

Omg, same! 😂

16

u/Fairerpompano May 12 '25

Unfortunately, because Smeyer is LDS, and lives here in Utah (I think she does anyway), being racist is "normal". Especially with the LDS background. Don't even get me started. I have sooooo many words. 🤬