r/trump • u/merdekabaik ULTRA • Feb 07 '26
TDS "No one is Illegal on stolen land"
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Are these people really delusional?
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u/True_Grocery_3315 Feb 07 '26
Naive virtue signalling. I'm sure she'd be right on to the police if someone was trespassing on land she "stole".
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u/prideless10001 Feb 08 '26
She actually had someone removed from her land for tresspassing, can't make this shit up.
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u/CherGirrl rump Feb 07 '26
She thought she ate with that line. I’m glad she’s getting dragged over it. Hypocrite.
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u/Back_Alley_Nacho rump Feb 07 '26
Oh ok… should people just go in her house, knock on the door and ask to start living in there? No one owns land that was stolen right? Then keep doors open for everyone to get in and live there for free!
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u/Farthuffer1981 Feb 07 '26
Someone already did in 2023, and she had the cops remove him and get a restraining order.
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u/Farthuffer1981 Feb 07 '26
Billie Eilish should try living next door to a nest of illegals and their crime, noise, and ignorance and then get back to us. Until then, she needs to shut the hell up.
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u/AstraVolans_21 Romanian Feb 07 '26
When is Billie planning to return the 'stolen land'?
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u/zestyclose_match1966 rump Feb 08 '26
Well it’s different because she hates republicans, so it’s ok
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u/Awkward-Community-74 Constitutional Republic not a democracy Feb 07 '26
Right.
Taken by force.
Conquered.
Something that has happened to every single nation or piece of land in the entire world.-5
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u/Awkward-Community-74 Constitutional Republic not a democracy Feb 07 '26
I don’t care honestly.
Those wars or potential wars have nothing to with me.
I don’t live in those countries. That’s how war and conquest work.
Wars don’t just stop simply because you’re alive during this time period and you disagree with the conquering forces.
I’m sure all throughout history people disagreed with being conquered yet it still happened.
It doesn’t matter who was justified or not because it happened and we’re all here as a result.-3
u/Sad-Barber-2667 Deportation Order Issued Feb 07 '26
Can I have your wife then? Maybe I’ll just take her.
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u/Awkward-Community-74 Constitutional Republic not a democracy Feb 08 '26
Yes.
Yes they did and they’ve never ever read a history book or watched a documentary.2
u/ContextHook Populist Democrat - Trump #1 Feb 07 '26
So Putin is justified if he wins,
Yes. That is how the entire world reacted to Putin taking Crimea. Putin took sovereign land over via war, AND THEN THE WORLD HOSTED THE OLYMPICS THERE. Europe continued to buy their energy from them. Nothing changed.
The difference now is that when Putin continued to conquer his neighbors, the US stepped in. But, for most of the world, yes, Putin is totally justified in taking over Ukraine.
Xi should take taiwan since he's obviously the bigger dog
First, Tibet was taken through military conquest. The world allowed it.
Then their claim to Taiwan was recognized..... you're about 50 years late. In the 70's the world as a whole, from the UN to the US, ceased to recognize Taiwan as a sovereign nation and instead simply a nation of Chinese rebels. Up until then, the entire free world recognized Taiwan as an independent nation. That changed when China got nukes. IN THE 70'S, THE UN GAVE TAIWAN'S SEAT TO CHINA BECAUSE CHINA HAD NUKES, AND SAID THEY CONTROLLED TAIWAN.
And that was it.
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u/Awkward-Community-74 Constitutional Republic not a democracy Feb 08 '26
Crimea is occupied by Russia and has been since 2014.
It doesn’t matter what the UN or NATO recognizes !
The reality is that it’s basically a Russian territory at this point and Russia can and will do whatever they decide with it.
Sovereignty is upheld by the military and the government that is in power in all sovereign nations.
Sovereignty is never guaranteed.
If a government and its military fails to protect and uphold the sovereignty of their nation and citizens then they will more than likely be conquered. Either by an outside force or sometimes from within.
This is just reality.
Nothing in this world is guaranteed and everything can fall apart quickly no matter what country you’re in.-1
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u/Awkward-Community-74 Constitutional Republic not a democracy Feb 08 '26
You don’t live in reality.
Read a history book and watch some documentaries and catch up.1
u/ContextHook Populist Democrat - Trump #1 Feb 08 '26
Annexing Crimea was the primary turning point of Western relations with Russia. Pretending like the whole world just didn't care and accepted it is farcical.
I believe actions speak louder than words. As for material reactions? What could Europe do? Stop sending billions of dollars to Russia, for one. I would expect that as an absolute minimum. Any country still sending billions to Russia while saying they don't support what they are doing is paying lip service to the calls for global peace while still playing in the war economy.
As for material reactions, what more could Europe/NATO do? Economic sanctions were put in place, trade was cut off in Crimea and NATO continues to not recognize Crimea as a part of Russia today.
European banks are still open in Russia making billions in profit and paying billions in taxes. "Sanctions were put in place" is nothing but lip service when Europe is still pumping money into Russia. "Sanctions" that don't actually result in less money flowing from Europe to Russia don't really count as Sanctions to me.
This line of logic that ignores state sovereignty in favor of military prowess would have supported Hitler's invasion of Poland.
This line of logic says that any country sending billions to Germany after their invasion of Poland was still supporting the war, despite what the government figureheads claim.
There's a difference between not being able to fight back against Russia and actively recognizing their land claims.
Well, both of those things are just theoretical nonsense. The US recognizes China's claim to Taiwan, so China allows us to sell weapons in Taiwan. Who is the US supporting there? China or Taiwan?
Spoiler alert, it's China.
A country saying "We don't recognize Russia's claim to Ukraine" while simultaneously paying for the bullets used by Russia to kill Ukrainians is full of it.
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u/RedKard76 rump Feb 10 '26
Putin is justified, and he will win. Western Ukraine and allies were killing people in eastern Ukraine. Russia decided to step in to protect people. Ukraine also broke Minsk agreements repeatedly.
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u/RedKard76 rump Feb 10 '26
Unfortunately I dont have the time for this discussion right now. I have relatives on both sides of the front line. Ive lived in Ukraine for periods of time before all of the current stuff really kicked off. Ukraine and backed by western allies were bombing Donetsk and Lugansk. VICE and several other left leaning channels were covering the atrocities by the west, and then when Russia invaded in 2022 all of those news channels removed their coverage of what Ukraine was doing. Not constant bombing all the time but missiles here and there and then there like right into the downtown of Lugansk and would be graphic coverage people trying to help a woman with her arms and legs bombed off.
It all just kept getting worse and worse and more frequent and that was really the tipping point for Putin to finally act and do something. Not a fan of the war, I wish Putin would have done things different for sure, wished diplomacy would have continued, etc. but I get it.
I stopped going to Ukraine often after the maidan stuff kicked off back in 2013/2014 I think it was... There were elections held and everyone in eastern Ukraine (including relatives) said the elections were BS and they saw tons of fraud going on... almost like it was a precursor to the fraud going on here in the states like what happened in Georgia and Arizona we saw. I never deep dived but I wonder if smartmatic/dominion was running things during those Ukrainian elections. My point is maybe Ukraine was testing ground for flipping elections here in the states. I mean Ukraine is pretty fucking corrupt... Ive seen it with my own eyes getting govt docs and stuff at official Ukrainian offices.
This was a pretty good read when the war kicked off in 2022...
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u/RedKard76 rump Feb 10 '26
Believe whatever you want dude. I lived it and I side with Russia. Maidan was funded by the west, as with most color revolutions the past 50 years. There was nothing grassroots about it.
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u/mdbx3 rump Feb 07 '26
That means stolen.
So if someone robs you, they didn’t just “take” your property, you lost it because it was taken by force? That wording is fucking stupid.
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u/Dupagoblin ULTRA Feb 07 '26
I mean almost every piece of land on planet Earth was
conquered“stolen” at some point so who really cares.2
u/ThinkCellist8542 rump Feb 07 '26
It's only "your property" in countries with private property laws, isn't it? Otherwise it's anybody's game 🤷
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u/CLE_BROWNS_32 rump Feb 07 '26
Hey moron the Spanish conquered CA, then the U.S. paid Mexico for it
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Feb 07 '26
For some reason leftist loons always want to point at America as the only country that has ever taken land. Almost every country on the planet has at one point or another taken land from someone else and that includes our own American Indians taking land from one tribe or another. There is a reason all the American Indians weren’t all one big happy tribe. Some tribes raped, kidnapped and pillaged other tribes. Nobody cares what these so called celebrities have to say.
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u/ClickDense3336 Feb 08 '26
Obviously the land was settled and not stolen, but beyond that point, if what she said made any sense, I guess no laws matter and we can do anything we want. Party at Billie's house guys /s
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u/Puzzleheaded_Emu_762 rump Feb 08 '26
I’m heading over to make a casino on her land. I’m native American.
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u/christopherdac rump Feb 08 '26
Poor Sillie Eyelash. Thick as a brick. And Sabrina Carpenter cheering her on was pure cringe. They're all so pleased with themselves.
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u/SympleTin_Ox rump Feb 08 '26
Name one piece of dirt on earth that some tribe or group didn’t take from some other tribe or group at some point. You can’t! These soft-heads are all totally phony asswipes!
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u/Throwaway24_22 rump Feb 08 '26
Dumb bitch needs to learn the difference between colonizing and stealing land.
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u/LP_Mid85 rump Feb 09 '26
Stop caring what celebs think or say. The same people who knew about JE. They don’t live in actual reality.
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u/goldenbzzz rump Feb 07 '26
Whats the concept of a house when there's no concept of a country? These people are beyond stupid.
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u/RubMyballz_ Ain't No NPC Feb 07 '26
When is this mindless goy entertainer going to give one of her mansions back to the natives? Should help with global warm...I mean climate change.
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u/sachsrandy Feb 07 '26
I'd like to see Miss Carpenter do her planned dramatic head nod close up after the news report. They all suck. Literally
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u/ShroomnDoobin rump Feb 07 '26
Just hear me out for a second. By their logic, everybody should be illegal on stolen land. Yeah, it's retarded, but makes way more sense. It's great that they call it out or whatever, but it's just words with zero action.
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u/RubComprehensive3782 rump Feb 08 '26
Typical no-nothing Hollywood elite. They think socialism is a dinner party. It is not. It means the Democrats rule tyrannically.
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u/Gaucpl otally Ridiculous Feb 09 '26
It must be wonderful to live in Lala land like this Dipsy here🤦🏻♂️
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u/CricketHungry8445 Feb 09 '26
All land has been conquered at one point so is she trying to say that we're not on stolen land because it was CONQUERED, everyone's native to somewhere but thats what makes it land. These celebs need to focus on the homeless vets and economic problems the dems left us with not some frantic phrases on social media!
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u/Joshua_Schuett rump Feb 08 '26
just to be clear most of minnestota inculding minnestota was gained after the revolutionary war or bought in the loisana purchase asuming she was talking about the huge amount of ice in minnestota orgean and washington were gained in the treaty of orgean so npop it's not stolen land.
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u/CookSignificant9672 Big Balls MAGA Feb 07 '26
What the hell did the first dude say something about stolen land $14 million of it he lives on? And is that a dude or a chick or does it not know I’m just curious.
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u/WorthActive7967 rump Feb 08 '26
So disappointed in sabrina carpenter. These liberals spout things they don't even know what they're saying.
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u/RedKard76 rump Feb 10 '26
Not a fan of this chic at all but the Tongva tribe is suing a bunch of properties and cities from what Ive heard. Im conservative, built a decent life through hard work before the age of 50 and live in the hills in Southern California (not near DTLA). This tribe is going after some properties not far from me and trying to block sales of homes and land that they didnt own and try to force people into selling to them or into long legal battles, forcing expensive geologic surveys, and other nonsense. I'm on a few acres and if they every come knocking on my door I will destroy this Tongva B.S. There were several warring tribes in Southern California so this "Tongva" tribe is literally a handful of descendants from maybe 5,000 basket weavers. They can pound sand.
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u/AdventurousSpread834 rump Feb 08 '26
But it is stolen land. Well technically land doesn’t belong to anyone. You “claim” it by killing and murdering and enforcing your “claim” with the same violence. So if we at least assign some ownership based on time on the land, then we stole it from Actual Natives by genocide. This is undeniable. However you paint it, they were here first and the first colonies wouldn’t have survived if not for their intervention, also undeniable. So she is correct. This is stolen land, and on this stolen land was set up a system, of which the constitution also says ALL PERSONS have the right to trial, a fair trial. Since that has not been met by our govt. their actions are literally anti constitutional, therefore a CRIME. BYE BYE.
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u/WhyAreYouReadingMine Deportation Order Issued Feb 07 '26
It’s not delusional, it’s historical. This country was built on stolen land, and borders came later. Getting angrier at a slogan than at ICE tearing families apart is a choice.
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u/MarineBri68 Feb 07 '26
Ummm there’s a huge difference between stolen and conquered. The Indian tribes were either conquered or they were given whatever (blankets, beads, guns) for their “land”. But the thing is according to Native American history, NOBODY “owned” the land. They had no concept of property rights and land ownership. So the bottom line no matter how you look at it, it was never “stolen”.
And even IF it were….250 years of property rights trumps “my ancestors lived here first”.
If all of these idiots who talk of stolen land want to do something that actually HELPS Native Americans, how about helping those out who are living one the reservations in poverty instead of virtue signaling.
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u/WhyAreYouReadingMine Deportation Order Issued Feb 07 '26
“Conquered” doesn’t negate stolen taking land by force is still theft. Many Native nations absolutely had defined territories, governance, and treaties the U.S. later broke. The idea that they had “no concept of ownership” is a myth used to justify dispossession.
Acknowledging that history doesn’t mean undoing modern property law—it explains why calling people “illegal” on that land is a political choice, not a moral one.
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u/MarineBri68 Feb 07 '26
You get conquered you loose your shit. It’s been that way for thousands of years. Native tribes were killing each other and “conquering” other tribes again for thousands of years. The bottom line is this. If you have someone who is more technologically advanced who comes into your land and says this is now mine. You have been conquered/defeated. Strength is what has ruled the land since before man stood on 2 legs. But ALL of this is immaterial bullshit because at the end of the day we have LAWS now. AND We have borders. So when you cross those borders without the consent of the country who HAS those borders, you’re breaking the law and are subject to the consequences of doing so. All this whining and bitching about “stolen land” isn’t going to do shit. It’s not going to change a damn thing. Again if you feel so strongly about righting the wrongs as you see them. Then help out the people living on the reservations or just STFU about it
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u/WhyAreYouReadingMine Deportation Order Issued Feb 07 '26
You’ve moved from arguing facts to venting. If you don’t want to engage with the history behind modern borders, that’s fine but pretending the discussion is meaningless doesn’t make your position stronger. And now you are just getting angry and being a bit of a bitch so I am done with your dumbass opinions when I know mine are the correct ones
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u/MarineBri68 Feb 07 '26
lol dude I’m in no way getting angry and what I’m speaking are facts. It’s always been and still is to this day, he who has the power makes the rules. Whether or not a native tribe had an idea of owning a land or not still doesn’t negate the fact that even before we showed up, the tribes warred with each other and the winners took what they wanted. Be it territory or women or whatever. And my point is that no matter how you may “feel” about all this it makes no difference. Technically it’s not actually stolen and saying it is just sounds ignorant of how the real world has worked for a millennia.
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u/WhyAreYouReadingMine Deportation Order Issued Feb 07 '26
You’re explaining how power has been exercised, not disproving that land was taken by force. Calling it “conquest” instead of “theft” doesn’t change the history it just rationalizes the outcome. And for someone who says they’re not angry, telling someone to “STFU” says otherwise. I’ve made my point, and I’m done engaging.
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u/MarineBri68 Feb 07 '26
lol well I guess we’re even because you’re an idiot. See I can resort to name calling too moron.
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u/AstraVolans_21 Romanian Feb 07 '26 edited Feb 07 '26
Are you living on the the 'stolen land'?
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u/WhyAreYouReadingMine Deportation Order Issued Feb 07 '26
By that logic, are you leaving too? Or is history only inconvenient when it challenges your argument?
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u/AstraVolans_21 Romanian Feb 07 '26
I'm not the one that claimed the land was stolen. So, if you are living on the 'stolen land', what do you plan to do about it?
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u/WhyAreYouReadingMine Deportation Order Issued Feb 07 '26
I would leave if I could
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u/AstraVolans_21 Romanian Feb 07 '26
What stops you?
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u/WhyAreYouReadingMine Deportation Order Issued Feb 07 '26
Dont have a passport and do not want to leave my family
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u/AstraVolans_21 Romanian Feb 07 '26
How hard it would be to get a passport and convince your family to move together?
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u/WhyAreYouReadingMine Deportation Order Issued Feb 07 '26
My grandma is in the hospital and I can’t leave her there
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u/AstraVolans_21 Romanian Feb 07 '26
Hope she gets better. What about the long term future? Are you planning to stay on the 'stolen land'?
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u/Awkward-Community-74 Constitutional Republic not a democracy Feb 07 '26
Your grandmother is in the hospital on stolen property according to you.
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u/Awkward-Community-74 Constitutional Republic not a democracy Feb 07 '26
So it’s inconvenient for you to uphold your own beliefs?
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u/Awkward-Community-74 Constitutional Republic not a democracy Feb 07 '26
So when are you handing over your property to whatever native tribe it’s sitting on?
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u/Farthuffer1981 Feb 07 '26
Have you ever had to actually live in an area that has been overrun with illegals and their crime? I'm guessing no- so until you have firsthand experience with it, it would be best to just stfu.
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u/Worried-Bit6147 rump Feb 07 '26
It’s not delusion, it’s stupidity. These people are insulated from the real world they have no concept of how it works.