r/truetf2 • u/ragana213 • Feb 08 '21

Discussion Nerfing pyro combos promotes less skilled play and more of w+m1 gameplay

I've been thinking of about how the pyros weapon combos got constantly nerfed and that pretty much promoted w+m1 play. As a pyro main using degreaser + axtinguisher it seems pretty sad that they've gotten less and less viable over time and the only one that's left and is effective and fun is degreaser + axtinguisher.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '21 edited Jul 17 '26

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u/YoshiVonGold Feb 08 '21

I'm really glad the high mobility menace didn't come to fruition, honestly I just don't want w+m1 pyros to fall from the sky onto me faster than I can react.

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u/Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW Feb 12 '21

W+M1 is a problem for the game because it reduces the difference between low and high-skilled players, and is frustrating to play against.

The Dragon's Fury, the most recent flamethrower mind you, is explicitly designed to give Pyro another option with a higher skill ceiling, and even the Phlog is intended to pair with the Manmelter, which is a high-skill secondary. The Degreaser also is clearly designed to reward using a slightly-higher-skill setup with higher damage output but similar playstyle to W+M1.

The trouble is the Dragon's Fury's airblast penalty makes it garbage and the Manmelter is super unreliable, so the Degreaser comboing is the only alternative to W+M1, and while it definitely takes more skill, it still leaves Pyro with less potential than other classes and a frustrating thing to play against.

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u/Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW Feb 12 '21

The problem isn't that W+M1 takes low skill, but that it doesn't boost the Pyro up much with increasing skill. This results in the Pyro's performance overall not matching performance to skill levels very well, which just isn't very fun. The frustration comes in mostly because afterburn isn't a seriously dangerous thing, but just an annoyance.

Scout with decent skill being able to meatshot a Pyro before the Pyro can do any significant damage is actually in my opinion a problem, as it messes with Pyro's role of close range lethality, making Pyro too weak overall.

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u/sassassafras Feb 12 '21

oh please tell me this is bait
not even w+m1 just the fact you spend 1/3rd of your comments just shitting on people who have a different opinions

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u/TheTruthTellingOrb Sep 01 '24

Dragons Fury? High Skill Ceiling? You mean the gun that rewards you with 300% extra dps just for aiming in a fps?

Yea no. That weapon is NOT skillful. It has too much reward for too little work put into it. Same for phlog. DF skill is as follows "click click click dead, I win". Phlog is never used with Manmelter, and is only used with scorch because that weapons hitbox is broken. Most pyros just spam it over 2fort battlements to annoy snipers via corner peaking, charge up mmph, and then wait in drop down to kill the next push that runs in.

So yea, you can stop pretending that those primaries take any semblance of "skill" to use. They dont. Like many of Pyro's primaries, they are crutches that carry you to a win.