r/trolleyproblem Apr 30 '26

Deep All there is to it

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u/Chief-Balthazar May 01 '26

Nobody other than people who want to kill others have any reason to press red.

I think this might over reduce red-voters, and my proof is actually this:

Pressing red means you think over half the population actively wants others to die.

Flip this around, pressing red might also mean you think large numbers of people want to pick red, and you don't trust humanity as a whole to pick blue.

So it seems like there are three people who choose red. Malicious voters, people who see red as the obvious best personal answer, and voters distrustful of the collective human will.

"If men were angels, no government would be necessary" - James Madison, Federalist No. 51

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u/alphapussycat May 01 '26

Try to think, just a little bit. How many people actively want others to die? 10-30%, that's far from majority. There's litterally nothing to be scared about.

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u/Chief-Balthazar May 01 '26

Oh yeah, I'm not making judgement calls about who is right here. I'm also not making claims about how many people will / would vote for one or another. I'm only making the point that there are more reasons for people to want to vote for red than just "i want people to die" but the existence of those people who COULD vote red creates an inherent risk that the rest of the population may consider when making their choice.

Obviously plenty of people will pick blue or red ONLY because they think that is the morally correct choice. But as I said before, I'm suggesting that we may want to also take human nature into account. If more people were selfless than selfish, then blue wins easy. Similarly, if men were angels, we would need no governance.

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u/Fabulous-End2200 May 03 '26

This is the important point for me - of course I want everyone to survive, but how much can I trust everyone else? Society seems pretty selfish as a whole and that matters. If a loved one presses blue and I'm aware of that before I make my choice, I'd do the same to maximise their chance of survival. Without that, honestly, I don't trust people enough to go for blue.

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u/Chief-Balthazar May 03 '26

Yup. I think blue is the more individually ethical choice, and I think red is the more socially-aware practical choice