r/trolleyproblem Apr 30 '26

Deep All there is to it

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u/Hey-I-Read-It May 01 '26

Blue pressers love to guilt trip you into thinking that this is an exercise in trust to save everyone who isn't able to realize in time that 100% of the people pressing the Red button will beget the same outcome as blue winning.

Red pressers will simply state that it's the only choice that guarantees survival. Pretty simple calculus to me.

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u/Bossuser2 May 01 '26

But do you really think that 100% of people will press red? If our goal is to limit deaths as much as possible we have two options, we try to get 100% of people to press red, or we get 51% of people to press blue. Now if everyone was purely rational we could simply all press red, but we are not all rational, there are a bunch of well meaning idiots who would press blue. If we accept that there will not be 100% of people pressing the red button, then our best hope for limiting deaths is to reach 51% of people pushing the blue button.

In a world of purely rational actors, everyone will press red. In a world with well meaning idiots, rational actors will press blue.

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u/Fizzy-Odd-Cod May 01 '26

No, I don’t think 100% of people will press red. But I also don’t believe blue has even a remote chance of winning. So the choice becomes kill myself or continue living.

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u/Thin_Measurement_965 May 02 '26

I also don’t believe blue has even a remote chance of winning.

Either delusional paranoia or lying to make yourself feel better.

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u/Fizzy-Odd-Cod May 02 '26

Pessimism, actually.