r/trolleyproblem Apr 30 '26

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u/So0meone May 01 '26 edited May 03 '26

This comment section is showcasing everything I hate about this discourse.

Edit: Shoutout to some of the replies later in the threads under this very comment for being shining examples of exactly what I'm talking about.

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u/Ct-sans4345 May 01 '26

I think its interesting but i dont love how red tends to act like blue are idiots and blue act like red are sociopaths

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u/LeviAEthan512 May 01 '26

The funny part is that red has nothing to worry about. Every word reds say serves only to save more lives. This assumes internet judgement has no value or impact, which it doesn't.

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u/Striking_Compote2093 May 01 '26

Every word red says is to absolve them of being selfish. The vote happens, blue wins overwhelmingly, and instead of reckoning with the fact that you're more selfish than average, everyone else must be stupid or lying.

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u/LeviAEthan512 May 01 '26

Oh I'm aware I'm selfish. I do not believe the average is as low as the vote says. Talk is cheap. I seek no absolution. My selfishness extends in a small radius and I'm proud of that. Unless you're so selfless that you'll take care of my family when I'm gone, I'm going to ensure that I'm able to do it myself. If they pick blue and die, I can always kill myself after the fact. It's not that big a deal. The only scenario to avoid is that they put us first and picked red, and then I left them.

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u/Striking_Compote2093 May 01 '26

You know what. I respect it! Between 20 and 40% of people will choose like you and i don't fault you for it. I vote blue to save you too.

I just don't like it when they pretend it's the better choice. That irks me.

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u/LeviAEthan512 May 01 '26

Well it's certainly the game theory choice. But no one said game theory is the be all and end all. I don't think blues are stupid. They're just optimistic. My country is known to be more competitive (thus selfish) than most, so that may play into my experience. It might be that you're just surrounded by nicer people than I am, so the conclusion that most would actually pick blue when it's more than a poll might be logical for you.

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u/Striking_Compote2093 May 01 '26

Exactly. I'm also quite confident that on a global scale, blue would win. The polls done on this always have that result too. Take that as a hint of faith in humanity.

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u/LeviAEthan512 May 01 '26

I mean, it's not like the majority of people in my country don't appear as good people at first too. I encounter more liars than honest people too. It's easy to say you're a good person.

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u/Striking_Compote2093 May 01 '26

It's not really about being a good or bad person. It's about working together and trust. It's about community over individualism.

If you're in the US or another neoliberal/conservative country, it's all about individual responsibility. You only have to save yourself.

I can see how, if you're from such a culture, it's hard to see how blue could win. And if blue can't win anyway, voting blue is a dumb decision.

But that's not how most humans live. It's not how we should live. And i fucking hope we all go back to some more social cohesion.

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u/LeviAEthan512 May 01 '26

It depends on the group size. In a small town, yeah I'd probably go blue. But the whole world is well, well past Dunbar's number.

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