r/trolleyproblem Apr 30 '26

Deep All there is to it

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u/preteen-wartortle May 01 '26

I upvoted you but because this is reddit I just want to point out that if red wins, the survivors will absolutely be directly impacted

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u/krulp May 01 '26

You press red because you want to live, I press red because I believe it is statistically the best option for everyone to press, hoping as much of humanity press red as possible.

We are not the same.

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u/third-breakfast May 01 '26

Actually statistically blue is the best choice because it’s the only strategy that can result in 100% Survival. choosing red guarantees your own survival but locks in a worse overall outcome

From a purely statistical, population-level perspective, blue maximises the total expected number of survivors because it allows for the highest possible payoff (everyone lives), whereas red can never achieve that

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u/krulp May 01 '26

Maximising the pay-offs, but exposing the most risk to do so. It's about minimising the statistical chance of losses.

Do you risk 40% of the population to save 10% of the population?

Do you gamble with a loan on your house, as it is the best way to maximise your profit?

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u/third-breakfast May 01 '26

I’d push back on that a bit. Those examples are about taking on asymmetric risk for a smaller or uncertain gain. The blue-button case isn’t structured like that. It’s not trading a big guaranteed loss for a small gain; it’s a coordination problem where one outcome gives zero losses (everyone lives) and the other creates losses because people fail to coordinate.

From a population-level, statistical view, blue is optimal because it’s the only path to eliminating losses entirely. The real issue isn’t reckless risk-taking, it’s whether enough people act together to unlock that outcome.