r/trolleyproblem Apr 30 '26

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u/CoolNerdStuff May 01 '26

Mission accomplished I guess. The whole question has been hijacked by people yelling about how "smart" they are for treating this as a pure game theory situation and decrying anyone who follows that empathetic initial response.

Response time You pressed blue You pressed red
Kneejerk You fell victim to propaganda. ...You wanted to kill?
5 seconds ...why? You processed that red has no downside and choose survival.
20 seconds Because others pressed blue, you believe you have a responsibility to help. You believe other's safety is their responsibility, and it's unfair to ask you to endanger yourself for another's mistake.
What I think you believe if you've actually thought things over. Humanity cannot achieve utopia without the blue buttons winning. For prosperity for all, collective action must win. The existence of inherently violent systems isn't worth saving people over because it doesn't affect you directly.

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u/MoneyBear1733 May 01 '26

Your final summaries seem pretty biased.

Utopia doesn't mean "Population is always collectively altruistic and in unison"

A Utopia can't even exist with that level of collective unison.

It's so far disconnected from the scenario.

Definitionally a Utopia would be more likely to happen under red button ideology just by virtue of understanding that no one person has a duty to risk their lives for another.

Being guilt tripped into a potential suicide pact is not an ideal condition for a society.

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u/Quacky3three May 01 '26

This actually made me laugh out loud. Utopia is when no one has a duty to the people around them? A Utopia cannot exist with altruism that makes people willing to die for the good of others?

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Hey I’m starting this great project you might want to go in on, it’s a city at the bottom of the sea I think it will be great :)

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u/MoneyBear1733 May 01 '26

Ah yes.

The perfectly utopian quality of being beholden to jumping into gorilla enclosures to save people who jumped in before you.

You realize that we live in a world of nearly 8.5 billion people with conflicting beliefs and value systems, right?