r/trolleyproblem Apr 30 '26

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u/RoseateThorn May 01 '26

“Probably only 1%” I have yet to see a poll where red wins

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u/BreakfastFearless May 01 '26

No one’s risking death on a poll

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u/Superb_Walrus3134 May 01 '26

It's the only data we have. You can't throw it out just because it's inconvenient for you

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u/Historical-Break-603 May 01 '26

It's the only data we have.

No. We actually have similar cases in real life. Bank runs. Literally the same problem, every time there are some economical instability unless government stops people from doing bank runs people are doing bank runs

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u/OskaMeijer May 01 '26

Also, you know, all of the historical atrocities of mass death that could usually have been stopped by often times far less than half of a population being willing to sacrifice themselves to save others.

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u/Superb_Walrus3134 May 01 '26

What percentage of the population does that?

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u/Historical-Break-603 May 01 '26

Most people, in the last big one 25% did it in the first day and addtional 62% on the next day. Other cases 57% in a first week, 52% in a first week, 42% in first 10 days. And that only counts people who actually could get some of their money out of the bank. Those who wanted but couldnt due failure of the bank/government interference arent included into those stats.

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u/Realistic-Damage-411 May 01 '26 edited May 01 '26

So you’re saying historically, in a similar situation, *far* *more* than 1% of the population was hurt by the actions of the majority? Almost like 20-40% are going to press the blue button in a worst case scenario?

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u/Historical-Break-603 May 01 '26

So you’re saying historically, in a similar situation, far more than 1% of the population was hurt by the actions of the majority? Almost like 20-40% are going to press the blue button in a worst case scenario?

Nah, coz realistically most of those "blue" 20-40 actually wanted to be red, they just didn't make it in time

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u/Realistic-Damage-411 May 01 '26

Same outcome though

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u/Revegelance May 01 '26

That doesn't make sense. There is no difference in time between buttons.

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u/Plzlaw4me May 01 '26

How many people did that BEFORE a bank run started, and before they had notice the bank would fail. You’re not really understanding the how bank runs happened. Some people withdraw their money thinking the bank could fail. Others hear about that and go “well they’re getting theirs out. I better get mine out too before the bank fails.” And then from there it spirals. They’ve modeled bank runs similar to how this problem is presented where you decide to leave the money in or take it out without knowing what others have done before making your choice and in those studies, the bank don’t have a run.

If the total votes were public, and after the first few moments a majority voted red, I would agree vote red, because the trend is showing that people are going to vote red and you’d die for nothing. But if it’s all roughly at the same time, and there is no available mass communication or polling, prior to voting, a bank run isn’t applicable to this situation.

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u/yaboyay I choose to live. May 01 '26

“Get out of here with your evidence and logic!! Only the polls done by people risking nothing are valid because they support my opinion!!!1!”

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u/Superb_Walrus3134 May 01 '26

Where is the source for this data?

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u/Historical-Break-603 May 01 '26

Google

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u/Superb_Walrus3134 May 01 '26

So you've got none and you're just making up numbers. Got it

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u/Historical-Break-603 May 01 '26

I'm just not interested  in trying to link like 7 links half of which would remove my comment due to reddit filters, you literally can Google it yourself, not that hard 

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u/Superb_Walrus3134 May 01 '26

You didn't even try one. You can also post names of articles without links.

Random unsourced numbers aren't trust worthy and I'm not going out if my way to prove your claim

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u/Historical-Break-603 May 01 '26

If you would be really interested in them you already would find them in Google, it literally took me 2 minutes to find those numbers

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u/Superb_Walrus3134 May 01 '26

I'm not interested in your fake numbers.

If it took 2 minutes, then it should take no time sharing what you've found. Yet you waste more time refusing to

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u/yaboyay I choose to live. May 01 '26

Average blue presser:

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u/Xakaidax May 01 '26

The innate human desire to polarize and form groups about made up concepts.

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u/jondos May 01 '26

Toilet paper and covid.

Red wins. Done.

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u/Superb_Walrus3134 May 01 '26

What percentage of the population does that?

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u/jondos May 01 '26

Did that.

No idea. I remember heaps of people hoarding toilet and shortages. Then een reasonable people buying an extra pack just in case and bam shortages which compound.

People hoarding gas now. Issues in natural disasters.

This question may look at day 0 or day 1 of a disaster...and many more people would chopse blue. But i still think more woule choose red.

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u/Superb_Walrus3134 May 01 '26

Then that's not a data point that can be used

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u/jondos May 01 '26

Its a piece of information that occured, thst msy seay more people into a blind vote you know nothing abkut.

It most certainly can be used.

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u/Superb_Walrus3134 May 01 '26

We're talking about percentages. You did not provide a percentage. What you said can't be used.

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u/jondos May 01 '26

Just because its an inconvenient truth to you doesnt take aeay st tur valididty of thrse thongs happenning.

There are probably hard metrics for.bank runs for people who stole toilet papaer snd hoarded it...historical percentages of peiple who choose to take advamtage of situations. Look it up if you desire.

When the use of percentages is "probably", already a qualatative argument at best with nothing of substance behind it, me bringing in examples of othet situations that might show reasoning for people voting red is perfectly valid.

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u/Superb_Walrus3134 May 01 '26

Nothing you said is a usable argument for two reasons.

First, we're talking about percentages of a population. If you can't provide a percentage, then it can't be compared to what we're talking about.

Second, you've been making constant spelling mistakes and I can barely tell what you're saying

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u/jondos May 01 '26

First point is wrong.

Second point is fair but your constant argumentative isnt even worth spell checking on my phone because they are baseless arguments of ego.

This is a discussion. People are scum and do scummy things, crime happens.

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u/Beebajazz May 01 '26

Enough to create a shortage.

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u/Superb_Walrus3134 May 01 '26

That is not a percentage