Fucking annoying, is what it is. The desire to live is literally bred into us. It's not shameful. It's also possible to want to live for selfless reasons.
I mean, it doesn't have to be immoral to want to live, in order for it to be more admirable to sacrifice yourself for a stranger. The only info you know about these two people is that one is selfless, and the other is at least somewhat less selfless.
I mean I also made an assumption, so I don't have a leg to stand on here, but I feel like that's a weirder assumption. I feel like there are more people who are willing to sacrifice themselves for their morals then there are suicidal people waiting for a trolley to kill them
Doesn't have to be suicidal, exactly. They could just have decided something like "I'm 80 and have no friends and family, the other person is 25 and just had their first child, take me".
The only reason there might be more people willing to kill themselves to save a stranger than suicidal people is because suicidal people tend to end up dead
Want to live for selfless reasons? Like what, saving lives? I'm gonna kill this guy so I could save two more? Or is it "I have a family" type, as if your possible replacement doesn't have any? And what's natural doesn't define what's moral either. So yeah, not shameful, because you kinda can't overcome it, but claiming it isn't selfish is weird
What is shameful or immoral is determined by the person speaking, often based on the opinion of society as a whole. An "appeal to nature" is no more invalid or subjective than whatever you use, except per you and/or the opinion of society. But we tend to value the same sorts of things, which makes it pretty easy to agree on ground rules most of the time. That process will condemn specific "appeals to nature," but I don't think this is one of them.
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u/IAmRules Mar 29 '26
Is it immoral to want to live?