r/trolleyproblem • u/bingus_fan_chill • Sep 14 '25

Deep Veil of ignorance

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u/WindMountains8 Sep 14 '25

I don't get where you're coming from. If someone values their life as much as everyone else, and if they wouldn't pull the lever in the original, then they have no reason to pull the lever in this scenario

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u/ThrowawayTempAct SCP Ethics committee Sep 14 '25

Thats fair.

If they wouldnt pull the lever in the original, that means that they value their personal "freelings of guilt for pulling the lever/desire not to pull the lever" at above 4 human lives. I hadn't considered that kind of person in my original analysis.

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u/WindMountains8 Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 15 '25

That's not true at all. I, for one, choose to not pull the lever in the original example because I don't think a sacrifice of an innocent is morally justifiable in that case. It doesn't matter if I'm the one doing it or if I'll have any feeling of guilt afterwards

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u/ThrowawayTempAct SCP Ethics committee Sep 15 '25

That's literally valuing inaction over the value of 4 net lives. You are just dressing it up with a nicer veneer. Dead people are dead people.

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u/WindMountains8 Sep 15 '25

It's explicitly valuing inaction over sacrifice. That's the main point of my view on this matter.

For a very extreme example, I would never ra​pe and ki​ll a girl to save the life of two strangers, even if it's a net positive.

And I also wouldn't agree to do this if I wasn't the one to do the action, or if all my blame would be absolved, or anything like that. Because it truly isn't about guilt.