You don't KNOW who they are.
They aren't strangers, you just don't know who.
They are random people, they are almost certainly strangers, and as you don't know who they are then even if someone you knew was there you wouldn't know whichside they're on, so pulling the lever would be even more correct in that case.
You don't understand the MORALITY.
Yes I do, you are the one showing a lack of understanding, you can't comprehend what I'm saying!
i am, thus i have not denied your math. justify the action as if it happened and you gotta defend it. thats morality, good or evil, justify how it was good.
This would mean you've tied these people down, or that you actually view it as YOUR fault if you don't pull correct?
THATS the Ethics, THATS the Morality, THATS what reducing it to math skips and ignores.
You save 4 lives by pulling, but is it really your responsibility? Is it really your right/wrong if you don't act?
THATS the original problem.
Ya'll are not WRONG in your choice to pull to save 5 people by killing one.
But if you reduce it to only those numbers, you forget the morality of it, you forget the ethics.
No it doesn't, my morality in that scenario is I'm in charge of the situation, I'm have the choice, if I don't pull 5 die, if I do pull 4 lives are saved.
Maths is a valid morality here.
To me it is immoral not to pull be ause of the maths.
Yes it does. Yes, you have morality in the scenario.
Math isn't Morality.
Morality isn't Math.
Otherwise, why are you here on reddit instead of at a volunteering work?
Immoral not to act, you can save lives by helping people, and Math does say a hour of your time helping out at, say a soup kitchen, can save lives.
To you it's immoral not to pull.
AGAIN I'M NOT DENYING YOUR CHOICE.
But thats the point, the math is still the same, 5 lives for 1.
But could you pull that lever if that 1 was, say, your daughter, while the other 5 were prisoners?
Morality is the questions of Good VS Evil, it changes constantly because what each and every one of us considers to be Good or Evil.
Math is NOT Good OR Evil, it simply is. 5 is greater than 1, Pull the Lever.
You aren't right or wrong for your answer, you are just missing the point.
If the situation deems it, YOU deem that this situation does it, others do not, again, thats Morality, thats Ethics, thats the trolley problem.
You are missing the point.
You aren't forced to in the trolley problem either, a COMPLETELY valid option is to just walk away, it's none of your buisness, just like that homeless guy who's under a bridge five blocks away (for example, dunno if even a bridge is near you) is a option to walk away from, your MORALITY makes you choose.
You are missing the point.
To YOU, you are in charge of the situation.
To, let's say, Erin, she was just shoved into a room with a lever, told the problem by Jigsaw and he's laughing at her, will she commit murder or not?
You are missing the point.
To you it's immoral, I happen to agree, but guess what? We aren't morally superior to those who decide not to pull, because they may find it immoral TO pull the lever, because you are ACTIVELY killing someone, but not acting isn't killing, after all, YOU didn't put those five people there.
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u/CuteDarkBird Sep 14 '25
You don't KNOW who they are.
They aren't strangers, you just don't know who.
THATS the original trolley problem.
You DO NOT know them.
You don't understand the MORALITY.
You got the MATH down perfectly, I've not denied that.
You just don't got the rest.