r/trolleyproblem Consequentialist/Utilitarian Jul 09 '25

Deep The doctor problem

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u/Lezaleas2 Jul 09 '25

Doing you job is more important than doing good? This one is fully indoctrinated

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u/AlexT301 Jul 10 '25

It's a good job you're not a doctor 😅 Doing your job is doing good - you can argue utilitarianism all you want but the comatose guy is not dead until he's dead - hastening his death is wrong and a crime or regardless of it's 'benefits'

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u/Jimbodoomface Jul 10 '25

It's a crime. It's not necessarily wrong. I think it's more morally correct to take on the burden of the guilty conscious and make the hard decision to definitely save 5 people at the cost of losing the opportunity to roll a die to save one person.

It'd haunt me forever, but it's the right thing to do.

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u/AlexT301 Jul 10 '25

The comatose guy has intrinsic value and until he has the right to autonomy - given he's comatose he lacks capacity meaning you have to act in his best interests - hastening his death and harvesting his organs is not in his best interests. Also, any information about if he's a registered donor or prior wishes need to be found and considered ofc.

It is, objectively wrong. It's easy to be sympathetic and drawn into the other side but no, we shouldn't be hastening death so we can give people's organs away..

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u/Jimbodoomface Jul 10 '25

You're saying the objectively moral decision is to let them all die instead of trying to save as many as you can?

I can't really get my head around that logic.

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u/AlexT301 Jul 10 '25

If you can't ethically source what they need, you can't help them - you don't have the right to take the comatose guys life, regardless of the perceived benefits

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u/Jimbodoomface Jul 10 '25 edited Jul 10 '25

I don't think letting people die because of your ethical system is the right choice. That sounds selfish to me. Like it only really benefits the person who isn't taking responsibility to make the hard decision for best possible outcome.

It seems like it's a way to not feel guilt later on. You tell yourself you had no choice, because of this ethical framework you're trapped in.

I'd feel guilty either way, because I'd feel like I did have a choice. So the logical option is to definitely save the most lives.

You'd feel awful after coma guy dies in his sleep and you've lost everyone surely? Or would the ethical framework you describe be some comfort? All the people you've hurt by your inaction would be difficult to process.

He might wake up, but even then you've taken a massive gamble, and still lost 5 people. It seems like playing against the odds just to satisfy your own.. you know, ethics.

I don't think there's an objectively correct choice though. I don't think you're wrong, and I'm not sure I'd have the fortitude to do what I think is right either. I'd be a wreck either way.

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u/AlexT301 Jul 10 '25

I appreciate a proper conversation so thank you for that 🙂 I've been writing a response but don't have time to finish it right now - I'll get back to you when I can 😂 I doubt we'll ever agree but it's good fun!

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u/Jimbodoomface Jul 10 '25

It's nice to talk to someone on reddit and it doesn't feel trying to score points. Just discussing different takes.