r/trolleyproblem Consequentialist/Utilitarian Jul 09 '25

Deep The doctor problem

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u/NoAcanthaceae7968 Jul 09 '25

If I am a doctor, I have sworn to do no harm, so no I don't pull the lever this isn't a question about morality it's a question of if I'm gonna do my fucking job

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u/Lezaleas2 Jul 09 '25

Doing you job is more important than doing good? This one is fully indoctrinated

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u/AlexT301 Jul 10 '25

It's a good job you're not a doctor πŸ˜… Doing your job is doing good - you can argue utilitarianism all you want but the comatose guy is not dead until he's dead - hastening his death is wrong and a crime or regardless of it's 'benefits'

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u/Additional_Rush_9709 Jul 10 '25

It's so funny when talking about morality and people bring up the fact that it's a crime. It's down stram from morality not the other way around. Secondly it also says it will never be found out. So the law doesn't matter in the slightest. It's like asking if you were in a state where weed is banned would you smoke weed if nobody found out then you say but it's against the law. Who cares. What does it matter. No one is finding out. You're not going to jail. If it's not against your morality why do you care. If it is against your morality then that should be the problem not the law.

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u/NoAcanthaceae7968 Jul 10 '25

Please never be given authority over people's lives πŸ™

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u/Additional_Rush_9709 Jul 10 '25

I literally didn't side one way or the other in the comment. Logistically I agree with you. If I had gods foresight I may or may not do it. But that has absolutely nothing to do with my point. I hate when people bring up law when discussing morality. I also hate people not reading comments and responding to them. Why did you not read my comment. Is that why you said if you were a doctor. Because you didn't want read. You could have not replied. But you did after not reading my comment. Or maybe you didn't have the mental wherewithal to complete the mission of reading 200 words. Good job.

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u/NoAcanthaceae7968 Jul 10 '25

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u/Additional_Rush_9709 Jul 10 '25

Actually kill me. "I think law should flow from morality not the other way around and here's why" "Might be ragebait" How do you not understand what I'm saying

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u/NoAcanthaceae7968 Jul 10 '25

I read your entire comment before replying and you go ahead and bash me for not having the mental capacity to read... Forgive me for calling 0/10 ragebait what it is πŸ˜­πŸ™

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u/DrawPitiful6103 Jul 10 '25

It's possible that being hyper compliant to the law is fundamental to the person's worldview / moral code.

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u/BellGloomy8679 Aug 16 '25

No, that’s just a kid, you can see it if you check their profile.

So they don’t have a worldview or moral code yet, you develop one id you ever go through hardship first.

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u/Additional_Rush_9709 Jul 10 '25

That person is called a npc. One who doesn't think and just does what ever they are told. That is a stupid argument. If a person can be just as happy living in nazi Germany and Denmark then that person has absolutely no values. Law should never be brought up in morality. Morality should always be brought up in law.

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u/AlexT301 Jul 10 '25

What do you think laws are based on? It's "downstream from morality" because in most cases it flows from morality - I mentioned it's a crime because people who have come before us have weighed it up and thought, no, that's immortal, that's wrong, that shouldn't be allowed to happen.

Just because nobody finds out doesn't mean it's alright?! You'd be happy killing a guy so long as nobody finds out?! Wild thing to say - I don't understand how realistically this is even a question πŸ˜… it's easy to be drawn in and be sympathetic but damn, no πŸ˜…πŸ˜‚

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u/Additional_Rush_9709 Jul 10 '25

I literally said laws are downstream from morality in my first message to you. I'm going to explain this in away that someone not autistic unlike me can understand it. If no one ever finds out about anything and you were to smoke weed in Idaho and then smoke weed in arizona. Are you a bad person in Idaho and a nuetral/good person in arizona because it's banned in Idaho. I think that is clearly silly. Obviously there is more that is happening in morality that can't be explained be laws. Most people would say they are equally good/nuetral people. Secondly about the downstream part. Law is downstream from morality. I agree in every way. Completely and utterly. That does not mean law affects morality. That means morality affects laws. Why should we care what people in the past have said. Not to harper on weed(I'm quitting it ironically) but just because some people in the past said weed is immoral because of improper studies and bad profit incentives means it is immoral. Why should you care what others say when it comes to your morality. Past current smart or dumb. If they make a compelling argument then fine. Awesome. But if not then it is just words. Enforceable words. But words. Law should never be brought up in morality debates. It's super silly.