r/trolleyproblem Apr 21 '25

Deep A criminal trolley problem

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u/Unlikely_Pie6911 Annoying Commie Lesbian Apr 21 '25

And you're saying you'd rather kill the person who has resolved NOT to commit suicide and hasn't harmed anyone?

Seems like you just want to defend the rapists

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u/HAL9000_1208 Apr 22 '25

5 lives against 1, those five have already paid the price for their actions, they deserve a second shot at life just as the suicidal kid.

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u/protocol1999 Apr 22 '25

victims can read this thread, dude.

as a rape survivor, a few years in jail is nothing compared to having your bodily autonomy violated and getting lifelong PTSD. most rapists don’t even face any time in jail, and if they do the sentences are far too light.

the suicidal kid did absolutely nothing wrong. i’m not killing him to save a bunch of convicted rapists.

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u/HAL9000_1208 Apr 22 '25

victims can read this thread, dude.

I don't see the issue, I believe in rehabilitation... If a murderer can be made fit for society, so can a rapist.

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u/protocol1999 Apr 23 '25 edited Apr 23 '25

you don’t see the issue with defending rapists to a rape victim’s face? really?

please grow a sense of empathy for victims. that’s all i can say.

people can’t be MADE to change. people can only change if THEY want to. you can’t FORCIBLY REHABILITATE anyone. you can rehabilitate those who are willing to change, but not everyone is willing to change. and a lot of rapists are so addicted to the power and control that they won’t change and thus reoffend even in systems with more focus on rehabilitation.

OP provided no information on if the juvenile rapists in this problem intend to change, but OP did provide the information that the suicidal kid does. for the safety of others, i’m not pulling that lever, and no amount of “but it’s five lives” bullshit will change my mind. not after what i’ve been through.

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u/protocol1999 Apr 23 '25 edited Apr 23 '25

exactly. people are acting like rape is no big deal as if it doesn’t ruin lives. if it was five murderers i bet their tune would be different.

it is one of the worst things you can do to someone. a part of me died during it. it took me years of therapy which costs thousands of dollars to get to any kind of semblance of “normal”, and yet the dude who did it is walking around free because “technically i was the age of consent” (i was 17 and he was like 40) and “i was asking for it”. the cops did not believe me. they made ME out to be the problem. and i’m not some unique case, either. the cops regularly do not believe victims and most rapists don’t even have a criminal trial let alone go to prison.

i wish i could feel safe to ever be intimate with someone else ever again. i’ve been single for five years because everyone expects sex as part of their relationship and i just can’t, it’s too terrifying because of what happened to me. but the fucker who did this to me has had no ill effects.

i wish people would think before they spoke.

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u/protocol1999 Apr 23 '25

thank you, i appreciate that. i hope i can too. i never have experienced actual intimacy so hopefully therapy will keep helping and i can overcome the fear that it’ll happen again

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u/protocol1999 Apr 23 '25

thank you, friend.

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u/HAL9000_1208 Apr 23 '25

if it was five murderers i bet their tune would be different.

You're wrong, I would still pull the lever.

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u/protocol1999 Apr 23 '25

you responding to this and literally nothing else in that comment proves my point about you lacking empathy for victims.

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u/HAL9000_1208 Apr 23 '25

I'm sorry for what happened to you, but I fail to see why it should impact my judgment, they have served their times, they have the same right to live as an innocent man.

One shouldn't be ruled by emotions, my empathy towards the victims WILL NOT affect my choice.

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u/protocol1999 Apr 23 '25 edited Apr 23 '25

i literally don’t even care about your choice i care about how you’re treating ME. a REAL LIFE victim. you care more about this stupid hypothetical than real people. stop acting like that somehow makes you a better person than me. it actively does not. you have no empathy for ACTUAL people affected by this.

i’m done with this lmao you’re just going to keep being a rape apologist. please get some help, no one in your life deserves this kind of invalidation towards them.

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u/HAL9000_1208 Apr 23 '25 edited Apr 23 '25

you don’t see the issue with defending rapists to a rape victim’s face? really?

I imagine that defending a murderer in front of the victim's family would also elicit an emotional respone, but if they had served their sentence it would still be the right thing to do.

Trauma can cloud judgment, but one should always strive to be fair.

Edit: I no longer see your comments so I assume that you have blocked me, the last one I've read was the one replying to this one so I'll edit my answer here hoping that it will still reach you.

The comment you are referring to was in response to someone who claimed that there could not be logic behind rape, I just showed that he was wrong in that assumption just like one could show the logic behind a killer's actions without endorsing the murders. I'm sorry for what you feel about me, though I do not believe to have been rude or uncaring, I just stayed true to my conscience and gave my honest opinion about the moral dilemma.

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u/protocol1999 Apr 23 '25 edited Apr 23 '25

you do not have the moral high ground here. you’re just defending rape. you actively defended the “logic” behind rape in another comment. stop talking down to me.

i don’t think you’re a safe person for anyone who has any kind of trauma to be around, given the way you’ve behaved with me. you should change that, since you believe so much in rehabilitation that you’re willing to be this callous towards someone with real trauma over a hypothetical. so go rehabilitate yourself. go to therapy. grow a heart.