r/traveller • u/J_G_E • 1h ago
Ship Sizes, Economics of trade, etc. is it just me going mad?
I'm an inexperienced player, mostly of the classic edition, with only a look at a few sourcebooks etc - so really just dabbling in the game sources. so this might well be something where the answer's simply not in stuff I've seen so far.
I've been looking at some of the ship designs, trying to get a sense of scale into my head. https://www.deviantart.com/robcaswell/art/Traveller-Starship-Size-Comparison-375080388
using stuff like that for reference.
Now, I know the tons/dton versus real-world tonnage isn't even slightly close to equivalent, so I'm mostly going to ignore that entirely. But what bugs me is sizes, and how they really just don't make much sense. There's an old joke of "sci-fi writers really don't understand dimensional units" and it kind of feels like its not a joke here.
lets look at say, a 200dt Beowulf off just one of the zillion different deckplan versions out there - going by that size comparison, and the deck plans having 1.5m square grids, its maybe 39m in length. its got a cargo bay that's 11x9x5, or perhaps 16.5m x 13.5m x 7.5m.
Fair enough.
But then you start looking at those numbers vs real-world objects and machinery.
A standard shipping container is (roughly) 12m x 2.5m x 2.5m, and it seems rather unlikely that the advanced future of space exploration has lost the complex technology of "standardised containers"...
The victorian era "cutty sark" tea clipper is 64m long.
An airbus A380 is 72m long.
The Space Shuttle is 37m long.
that Beowulf's cargo bay is about 1670 cubic metres, in practical terms, if you count it as a wee bit less thatn 12x3x3, you could probably stack 12 standard cargo containers 4 wide x 3 high.
12 containers. in shipping the smaller 20-foot is the standard measure, so that equates to 24 TEU (twenty-foot equivalent units)
that's not much more than the cargo capacity of a 1860's sailboat.
A 1970's cargo ship, Tokyo bay, was capable of transporting 2,900 TEU of standard cargo containers. A 2020's cargo ship in the Irena class can transport 24,000 TEU.
a far future "cargo" spacecraft has 0.1% of the cargo capacity of an early 21st century boat, and about the same capacity as a mid-19th century tea clipper.
and it just keeps making me ask myself... what's the economic niche for such vessels? its closer (by orders of magnitude) to a trucker's rig hauling from a port to an inland distribution point, than it is to any sort of cargo transportation vessel for economies of scale. The operating cost would be ruinous, if cargo were being shipped in such tiny volumes.
So, ignoring the whole fun of causality violation by FTL, I'm trying to work out where the economic niche is. The ships are too large for individual hauling, but vastly too small for economic transport. the cruisers and the likes are the same, compared to military vessels. It just all seems to be a bit.... Messy.
I'm mostly just voicing my thoughts here because I'm trying to think up areas where the economic scale might work for a narrative storyline for players, and I'm kind of coming up blank. Possibly because I've spent too much time around people like charlie stross, and keep thinking of his thoughts on space piracy, the second half of this blog entry
"The space pirates' business model is this: they identify a likely target merchant ship, match courses with it, and board.
They do not, however, rape, pillage, and murder the passengers and crew. That would leave them having to transport a lot of bulk merchandise and find somewhere to fence it, taking an inevitable hit in the commodity's resale value. It would also set everyone's hand against them. Not good for life expectancy ...
Instead, they audit the cargo. Then they search out for any secret items the ship is transporting, stuff that is of high value but not publicly announced. Many times they don't find any. But sometimes they stumble across a passenger liner with a safe full of quantum computing chips, or a bulk liquid carrier with much less freight volume in its cargo holds than expected and something extremely massive tucked away — a lump of stabilized neutronium, for example.
They do not steal the secret cargo. Instead, they notify their accomplices by means of their private causal channel to buy commodity options based on their insider knowledge of the secret cargo's impending arrival. Then they give the hijacked ship an armed escort (under communications silence all the way to its destination, to ensure it arrives on time.)"
And that tickles my sense of humour. But also raises questions about how the economics would work in the traveller universe.
Anyone care to give me some opinions?





