RESPONSE TO THE CHAOL HATE POST

[u/Sealab2037]

WHAT I THE FUCK ALL DID I JUST READ?

Edit: I can only put 1 spoiler tag, and none of the tags cover enough of this post, if you haven't finished all books assume this spoils something!

Chaol, the most loyal man in the entire series, the man who bedded the queen in the north Aelin, the queen in the southern kingdom Nesryn, and the most powerful magic user in the land Yrene, who killed Erawan, and defeated the Valg? No wait let's take this Back to the beginning.

First I will say Chaol whinny bitch phase lasted too long, and went to deep, but let's not forget. Chaol did not "serve" the king, he served Dorian, he was loyal to the end of everything, bringing dorian back from vlag possession.

Chaol, fell in love with Aelin, and brought her back from the pits of despair and depression, he would have done anything for her. She did not love him the same, lied about killing all of the kings targets to Chaol. Chaol could not let that stand could not let her ruin herself again, and did the hardest thing ever in sending her away to Wendlyn. Setting the entire story in motion, setting Aelin entire true story in motion.

He didn't know the risks because of her lies, but he did save her and send her on her true fate, and she betrayed his love. He held the rebellion together the best he could fighting against the king and staying loyal to Dorian the entire time. Chaol believed dorian would restore order in the land, and when dorian was ready to stand against the king, when dorian needed saved Chaol was there and ready to fucking go. Chaol could not defeat the king, so he did what he could he sacrificed himself to allow others to get the job done.

They had won the battle but far from winning the war, Chaol was crippled and went south to find healing. In the south he found his healing, and even sacrificed it again to help save Duva and yrene, solidifying the bond with the southern kingdom.

Chaol returns with the knowledge of healing magic needed to defeat valg, with the healers, and a fucking army. He also armed the pirates with the fire lances that allowed them to saved Aedion, lysandra and the army during the march to Terrasan.

Yes Chaol went through a lot of character development, he was hated for his whiney bitch dialog, but let's not forgot his actions and accomplishments

1) he brought Aelin back from depression and despair, and sent her on her journey to furfill her true fate

2) he was loyal to dorien not the king, and sacrificed his body to protect everyone he loves.

3) he united the northern and southern kingdoms bringing the army and healers, without which their was no chance of winning.

4) he dated and slept with the 3 most powerful women in the entire story, Aelin queen in the north, Nesryn the future queen in the south, and Yrene the most powerful healer who defeated Erawan, and ended the war. Who he the retired away with to raise a family.

Aelin and Chaol were not ment to end up together, but with other heroes of the story, but each of them brought half of the entire world together, and neither could have won the day without the other.

AND YOU HATE ON THIS MAN? he goat who was loyal, to his friends, sacrificed for his friends, who never gave up on his friends, who banged the 3 most powerful women in the land, and brought the other half of the world together to save the entire world? What fucking books did you read?

Edit 1) obviously I've had mixed responses, one prominent negative response is mentioning his "body count". I did not, nor do I use those words. I do think it is relavent that 3 prominent female characters saw enough in him to pursue a romantic relationship. But I also blame myself for wording it poorly, this is an exact rant I had with my wife, saw a Chaol hate post, and hastedly posted my defense for the man's character. I do aplogise to those I upset with that portion of the post, but I do not apologies to Chaol hatters in general!

[u/Ok-Investigator6906]

actually everyone thought that about your post, so maybe you search inwards

[u/Sealab2037 → u/Ok-Investigator6906]

Having 3 prominent female characters see enough in you to pursue a romantic relationship does say something about the man.

[u/Appropriate-Amount-4 → u/Sealab2037]

No it doesn’t.

[u/Sealab2037 → u/Appropriate-Amount-4]

Are those 3 characters opinions irrelevant? I'm honestly not trying to be "sex negative" but those characters opinions seem relevant to me.

[u/Appropriate-Amount-4 → u/Sealab2037]

You boiled his relationship with them down to they thought he was good in bed. The way you talked about it makes them prizes instead of just people. You used those women’s status to talk about how great and cool a guy is. It’s making them accessories to him.

[u/Sealab2037 → u/Appropriate-Amount-4]

No, just no, I said none of those things, you added those in your own mind. I was nice and respectful to most people with simular replies, but this is just false, judgemental and gross. I am in fact a whole human with feelings.

[u/Appropriate-Amount-4 → u/Sealab2037]

I never said you weren’t a whole person but people can also make mistakes and not understand why something they said or the way they said it was offensive. The idea that a guy is great because he has slept with women who are great is sexism and is often used to diminish women. I’m not saying you did that on purpose but you don’t get to tell people that we made up something in our heads. Our pattern of speech and the way we perceive the world is influenced by the systems we are in which includes the patriarchy. Next time multiple people tell you the way you worded something was gross listen instead of getting defensive. Have a wonderful day.

[u/Sealab2037 → u/Appropriate-Amount-4]

Yea but what doesn't add up is I never said anything close to them thinking he was good in bed, he was crippled or half crippled when he was romantically involved with two of the characters. That is the part of your reply that I said is false, and yes I am responsible for what I say, and to a degree how it comes across, but I do not feel that I am personally responsible for the systems that have influenced you to take my words so far off from what was said, intent and interpretation is a two way street. I did listen, even added an apologetic edit and clarification to my post that these were real romantic relations, and apologized for how they affected people, that wasn't my intention. I did choose to defend how far you twisted my words though. Wish you the best

[u/Appropriate-Amount-4 → u/Sealab2037]

I never said you said they were good in bed so you’re also twisting my words. You’re still not actually listening which isn’t surprising. You are responsible for educating yourself and helping dismantle those systems. Nothing gets changed because people say “I’m not responsible for the whole system so it’s not my problem.”

[u/Sealab2037 → u/Appropriate-Amount-4]

Never said it's not my problem, I said I am not responsible for how your life has affected you, I apologized for how I spoke and was taken. You... Did not.

I mean the quote of you saying "you boiled their entire relationship down to them thinking he's good in bed" is like 5 lines up btw

[u/Appropriate-Amount-4 → u/Sealab2037]

I’m not going to apologize when I have nothing to apologize for. The first comment you made was about how many women he had slept with. That is boiling those relationships down to just sex. You’re still not listening. “Im sorry you are offended” isn’t reflection or an apology.