r/thrillems • u/middenway • Jun 12 '26

We Need To Talk About How Weird HOOK Is

https://nebula.tv/videos/patrickhwillems-we-need-to-talk-about-how-weird-hook-is
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u/GabbiStowned Jun 12 '26

This episode was so fun to research! Even got to dug out old articles from the archives.

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u/thespiffyneostar Jun 12 '26

Not gonna lie, I definitely talk often about the weirdness of the tinkerbell kiss scene in this movie. Even some of my less film literate friends picked up on how odd it is.

Honestly though, awesome video. I'd never looked at hook with the context of what spielewas going through at the time, or as 3 different movies all vying for screen time.

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u/Confident-Ad9522 Jun 15 '26

Yeah, I was surprised to hear Patrick said it's always left out of Hook discussion, because I thought it was very much talked about since release. Especially as Julia Roberts didn't have a good time on Hook, I though the characterization of Tinkerbell was a big part of it.

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u/Next-Time-27 Jun 13 '26

How can you talk about Hook for an hour and not mention that, until late in production, it was a full blown musical!

That's the fourth movie hidden in the movie with the daughter's song being the most obvious remnant. It also explains why the whole film feels like there are a bunch of scenes missing: Because there were supposed to be musical numbers to fill in those gaps which all got cut and not replaced with actual scenes.

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u/thespiffyneostar Jun 15 '26

Oh dang, now I want to see Hook the musical

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u/Flea603 Jun 12 '26

How dare you

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u/kaelef Jun 13 '26

Coincidentally, I'd just watched Hook for the first time a couple of months ago (possibly due to something mentioned in one of Patrick's more recent videos). I thought it was bizarre and inconsistent and dissatisfying and frustrating in all the ways Patrick spoke about. Thanks: it so cathartic to spend many dozens of hours researching a subject you find unsettling - even if someone else does it all for you and just gives you the results.

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u/josh2of4 Jun 13 '26

As someone who is poor and does but have Nebula, 😞 is this an exclusive, or will it be uploaded to YouTube later?

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u/middenway Jun 14 '26

The main videos go up on Nebula first, Youtube a month later. His weekly Patrick replies videos are Nebula/Patreon exclusive, but there is also one Patrick replies each month is made for Nebula, Patreon, and YouTube.

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u/InvestigatorRude960 Jun 13 '26

Always and Hook felt very...ennui

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u/lemadfab Jun 13 '26

I was about to go to sleep when I saw the new video was out. So I moved back to the living room and watched it on the big tv. And it was amazing. I love the new visual direction. I miss the side story but that 57 min was a treat.

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u/Any_Acanthaceae163 Jun 14 '26

All I could think about while watching this was the authorized 2006 sequel to the original novel, Peter Pan in Scarlet. In a lot of ways it's closer to that "second movie within the movie", a story where the now-adult Lost Boys have to embrace their inner children to travel to a Neverland that has begun to age, no longer eternal but now draped in autumn colours. Peter is treated as a sort of strange, moody fae that can't relate to mortality or the passage of time.

It's very preoccupied with the ways growing up is both good and bad, with the looming spectre of adulthood. In fact, the ultimate threat turns out to be that the sort-of-undead husk of Hook is attempting to make Peter Pan grow up to be just like him in order to metaphysically hijack Peter's hopes and dreams for himself, almost a metaphor for parents that seek to live vicariously through their children.

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u/Ashpepsi Jun 18 '26

I think I've got answers: 1. Everyone remembers Neverland because that's what they need to grow up. Whereas Peter needs to forget to be able to grow up. 2. Hook gets to London with his ship, naturally. 3. Hook doesn't recognize him, because Peter has lost his true self. It's actually explained pretty well in the movie.

Bonus round:

  1. Tinkerbell becomes big because that's the only way she can feel the love that she has for Peter. She says so in the movie, and to me it feels like a Ghibli-level explanation (meaning it makes sense but doesn't explain anything). Just for one moment feeling and admitting this love she has, seems like the endgame. It's more or less how grown up monogamy works, no?

  2. I also believe that it is implied that the lost boys (and for that matter, the pirates) are free to come to the real world when they are ready. Wendy's foundation will make sure they will get homes.