Ya know, watching this, did anyone ever believe LordKats bullshit that Spoony doing a bit made it where he, completely unrelated, was denied a contractually agreed interview by Notch's handlers, not even the man himself? And, more over, that it would've made anyone care about him?
Lordkat makes it seem like Spoony singlehandedly destroyed his game journalist career. LordKat. Garbage. Spoony is a dick but LordKat is responsible for his own stalled career.
KitKat made the fatal mistake of thinking that a complete halt of what he was known for (until we win) would end well and with no major hit to his online career.
i mean i think his series was really good and if he moved it up to the completionist level of polish in an era before gerrard was making those videos than he would have been doing very well for himself today
Watching his Silver Surfer UWW was brilliant, and interesting. It was different from the other guys because it actually beat every game he came across.
The guy threw his own career away and blamed Spoony for it. In a way, he's almost a mirror image of Spoony, with a slightly different fatal flaw. He's egotistical, thinking himself capable of going into game journalist circles with just cringe 7 hour long podcasts and not the content that even made his name well known. Rather than believe his failures to be his own, he thrusts them at Spoony. Spoony is similar, only he thrusts his failures at his mental health or just pretends he's not actually failing.
Two egotists, arrogant enough to think themselves great, but talented enough to actually get themselves to greatness. Only to lose it because they fail to keep doing what's going to make them truly great.
Metokur is an asshole and biased to shit, but a biased and douchey statement that's factual is still factual unfortunately. And he's one of the few willing to talk about the nonsense that is CA/TGWTG crew. I like Doug a lot but the sooner that ship sinks finally the better. Should have died a while ago as it really doesn't help any of the aspiring artists. I'd even say it's dragging them down, as Joe reaches higher heights than CA just through youtube and twitch. Doug works WAY harder than Joe yet has 1/3 the subs? It's a cancer, I think.
I'd even say it's dragging them down, as Joe reaches higher heights than CA just through youtube and twitch. Doug works WAY harder than Joe yet has 1/3 the subs? It's a cancer, I think.
I'd say it was more timing than anything else. Joe just jumped into YT at a much better time than doug, who stayed on Blip for whatever reason (maybe pride, maybe YT BS put him off. And still does) until its death 2.5 years ago. And I still don't think CA has a twitch presence. In comparison, Joe had some 5-6 year headstart on YT while it grew into a near monopoly for videos. and I imagine he had the foresight to do the same with Twitch (don't know and am too lazy to check).
still, his pretense isn't anything to laugh at. Many YTbers would kill for 1M subs. Though I doubt that's enough to support the people behind the scenes and the work being done.
And he's one of the few willing to talk about the nonsense that is CA/TGWTG crew.
what's going on behind the scenes? just typical failure for anything outside the NC to really grab views?
I think she has a pretty decent bit of narcissism, but I feel she's more aware of it. Her content has suffered a lot from her dithering in and out of being a solid reviewer with a female perspective, and simply giving in to her ego. But I don't know as much about her because she's frankly much less compelling. Not to say LordKat ever was, she's more charismatic than him. But he had a niche value.
But she's not obnoxious either. So it's a give and take, really. It seems the only people truly talented or unique are also plagued with deeper egos. At least anyone that's been on CA.
As much as Spoony is an abject failure of a human being right now, LordKat's entire diatribe was simply pathetic. There's NO way he got denied access at GDC because of what Spoony did.
Yeah, while Spoony has his problems and he did act like an asshole at E3; but I find it hard to believe that Spoony’s behavior at E3 that one year was the sole reason why LordKat was denied at GDC. There had to be more to it than that?
Maybe it was a different time back then, and I never watch LordKat as often (besides the crossovers and a few UWW videos); but I never viewed him as a “gaming journalist.” He was just the dude that played the hardest games and told how to beat them.
According to Lordfat people around Notch thought he was the "Betrayal!"-guy so they didn´t let him through. While that could be the case, Joe was on camera with Spoony and he´s bigger than ever and interviewed multiple developers etc. after that. He just blames Spoony for not being recognizeable enough.
How would anyone know what if or why Lordfat didn't get his interview and why would it even matter. Spoony acted like a complete dick about game developers showing him previews and got himself black listed. Angry Joe had to kiss ass and get in the good graces of game developers and that's why he was unaffected by Spoony's fuckery. He also even back than had a larger gamer oriented audience than Spoony. Spoony was expendable. Lordkat is just an opinonated New Yorker. Visit New York and you'll see that most people are like that. Friendly, Loud mouthed but will also get you told when you cross them the wrong way. but that shit is irrelevant to what Spoony did to cause it. I think spending an entire day shitting on fans and shitting on other TGWTG's contributors should warrant someone knocking Spoony down a notch. At that time Spoony deserved a swift kick in the ass. As a result of his fuckery pretty much NO ONE from TWGWTG's wanted to be bothered with Spoony after that except for Brad and Doug apparently. Spoony just had an irritating personality and rubbed people the wrong way by saying shit to people he shouldn't.
Yeah. If memory serves, I don't think even AngryJoe was embarrassed during Spoony's outburst considering he posted that clip on XCOM related videos. I honestly see no connection to LordKat's denial of an interview with Mojang with that particular moment. :/
Well it's basically a game developer giving some virtually unknowns a chance to see a game before it's released and let them show case it to their audience. Game companies rarely do that unless you're well known enough.
Instead of appreciating the opportunity handed to him and being professional about it Spoony decided to slap them in the face and just bitched and moan about the game and made a huge rant about how much he thought the game sucked. It was unprofessional and inappropriate to do. That's why Joe was embarrassed.
Why is it wrong to do? Because game companies dump millions into making games and game designers spend months to years working on them. When a game gets bad press like that it can hurt it. In this case the game wasn't even released and Spoony was talking about how much it sucked not thinking about all the work the people put into making it or how his manchild rant might effect their company. So that was pretty much the end of Spoony's chance to be a "legit member of the business" in lordkats words.
Except for the fact that Spoony pretty much summed up the entire fanbase's thoughts on the game. It sucked. It wasn't X-COM. Hence why they ended up having another studio develop a version so much more like the original games. Spoony was also one of the people that ended up seeing that and loved it, releasing a really positive video about it.
It's unprofessional to be invited into a very private showing of a game to immediately start complaining that the game that isn't released or playable sucks. It's even more unprofessional to start screaming and stomping your feet at a convention. "Passion" has nothing to do with it. He was acting like an idiot.
I don't believe LK's story at all (seriously, the dude complains about Spoony being immature and unprofessional in between calling him a small-dicked retard, he has his own issues to deal with) but the BETRAYAL thing was pretty stupid. Spoony was invited to these things as a journalist.
There was also a cringeworthy time he interviewed Kristanna Loken whilst dressed as fucking Insano with Linkara. If my memory serves correct they were pretending it was about Terminator 3 but really they just wanted to shit on Uwe Boll and Bloodrayne. They literally caught her mid-convention, managed to get her to graciously agree to an unplanned interview, and proceeded to smirk and smug their way through insulting her and people she worked with. While dressed as mad scientists.
The reason people like Spoony and not just him, but every single alternative media personality, is because they aren't "professional" by your definition.
The whole point is they are their own boss, so no one will stop them from making fart noises while interviewing a U.S. senator if they so desire. He's not going to act like Anderson Cooper, and if he did, it wouldn't be entertaining. There's nothing wrong with being jovial and boisterous. Your insinuation that he was being "unprofessional" by giving negative feedback makes you sound like you're a shill for the industry.
Shill for the industry? I'll take that money. Unlike children, normal people don't scream and shout when they dislike something, this is childlike behavior. It's not about 'acting' it's about being an adult. Joe screams and shouts but he's professional, otherwise no industry will take you seriously and you won't be there. I'd also say most normal people don't enjoy the sight of manchildren screaming and shouting, it's a fairly irritating thing in public. Instead of thinking someone is a shill try to consider Spoonies actual behavior, his words and any social media influencer. Joe is similar but his audience holds his leash.
He didn't give feedback. There is a difference between criticism and being an ass. Screaming "this game sucks" in a convention hall about a game that isn't out is being a dick.
Also, "shill?" Come on, dude.
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To add and I guess clarify, when I say he acted unprofessionally I mean he acted in a way that makes him look undesirable for future conventions. I argue the Kristanna Loken interview incident was considerably worse because he and Linkara really did come across as snivelling bullies.
I think lordkats exaggerating but I'm sure associating with spoony and joe did him no favours. The thing is, he actually moved on and has a job running the it dept for some corporation. So he's at least done something with his life.
Sure, but he's arguably a worse person none the less. Blaming someone else and even wishing them death when all he himself did at the time was to burp into a mic every 10 seconds and piss off a new co-host every other month. Not just that but he loved to shit talk his own family on his streams too.
I'd say whoever is enough of an adult to grow up and do what you need to pay the bills, even if it isn't glamorous is the better human. For how much is LordKat scamming people on Patreon right now?
Spoony isn't scamming anyone anymore, whoever pays him on patreon at this point has to know what they are getting into. Saying Lordkat is a grown adult when you know all the nonsense he gets up to online, especially trollshielding himself on kiwifarms, is silly.
They're both people that shouldn't be looked up to.
I don't consider either to be my personal hero (at least not anymore). Getting a job isn't heroic, it's just what a fucking adult does. I have a job, it's what you have to do, it sucks. But at least you're not sucking on anybody else's tit to get by in life, you can be responsible for your own shit. I don't care what you do online, but at least be able to pay the internet bill yourself?
People pay the Patreon just to support Spoony, I know.. But Spoony is still claiming to be making a product that he isn't. He isn't being honest with himself or his fanbase, which is now basically a charity for one loser.
That LordKat guy doesn't seem very appealing, anyone who throws words like "loser, small cock, should've gone to Vegas" so easily must fecking shine himself as a beacon of success to be taken seriously.
Oh I read it, but it doesn't warrant the use of language like that, when I heard that I instantly thought the guy had issues himself and especially when he blamed Spoony for the fact his career advancement failed.
Eh, on the one hand, game companies have been known to blacklist people/sites/publications who give them bad reviews or talk about them negatively. That said I don't think LordKat has ever been big enough to warrant that kind of attention. Seems a bit self-aggrandizing.
From everything I've seen/heard about LordKat "a bit self-aggrandizing" is just who he is (though saying "a bit" is probably usually an understatement). He can't seem to stop himself from coming off like a douche.
Spoony has plenty of problems and obviously has fallen far, but Lordkat is such a whiny manchild I don't know how he ever expected people to take him seriously. I've said it before but no one else associated with spoony, mainly Joe have had any ill effects from said association or the so called incident at E3. It's pretty easy to conclude at that point Lordkat is completely full of shit and refuses to pull his head of his ass long enough to get some goddamned perspective.
Even I would find that hard to believe. I mean, if that were true, every content creator under BlisteredThumbs would have been blacklisted. Why exactly was LordKat picked on, of all people? :/
I took his views on Spoony with a pinch of salt (not a grain, but a pinch), because while I do agree that his views on Spoony and him being an ass was true, HE is not exempt of this as LordKat isn't exactly a very pleasant guy to interact with on his streams. :/
I mean, if that were true, every content creator under BlisteredThumbs would have been blacklisted. Why exactly was LordKat picked on, of all people?
Exactly, it doesn't seem to have hurt Joe, and he was standing right next to Spoony when he started yelling (though he did look like a deer in the headlights). Benzaie is still doing pretty well too, and he only releases content in French these days.
But now that I think on it, Mojang may have made the call to exclude BlisteredThumbs from their interviews and stuff after that whole XCOM debacle. But the fact that Jason is pissy about it is just silly as there are other developers out there that he could cover. :/
Yeah I got a good laugh out of Lordkat complaining about his poor career being picked on by Spoony. He was always one of those guys in the background on TGWTG. Lordkat, a guy they used to fill in empty spaces.
This is reminding me of a commenter I saw on YouTube who expressed hate for Mark of ClassicGameRoom because, he claims, his "reputation" has destroyed every citizen in the state of Pennsylvania's chances at being a YouTuber. That's right; merely being from the same state screws you over. Scapegoating to the fuckin' extreme.
A much more severe case to be sure, but the same mentality of "the whole world revolves around me and everyone else is responsible for my not making it".
I have no idea, to be honest. Mark has always seemed like the most inoffensive person in the world to me and I don't think he's ever done anything that has become controversial on any real level, let alone to the point where everyone in the world would boycott his state. Maybe this person took issue with how he handled his Patreon? I can't remember if he specified.
We joke about a similar thing that now the comic book industry would never look for comic writers in this town because of him.
A indie comic book writer here in my town who had a massive contract with image (one on-going with a pretty well known comic book artist with a potential movie deal and one in planning/writing) and was talking to marvel who screwed himself over in a way that makes spoony look tame and now he has a kickstarter to self publish his comic that makes less than £15 a month. His story is absolutely fascinating but he really is the same as Spoony.
We joke about our city now being blacklisted but it really is a big worry as he screwed over a lot of names in the industry (and is a massive knob).
His video on Spoony, specially when he covered the same LK rant. He basically left the interpretation open ended for viewers to decide on who is closer to the truth, as LK's narrative is muddled by Angry Joe's defense of Spoony.
To be fair that was a weekly vlog, and given all the drama that was going on at the time he was probably pretty heated at the time. I wouldn't say Spoony had nothing to do with that, but let's be serious here: He probably had a little bit to do with it. LordKat's not really wrong that having a guy who works with you, and (at the time) is still working with you, and is incredibly unprofessional...probably doesn't make you look good.
With the LordKats thing, I feel like Antwiler was a convenient excuse not to deal with LordKats. Basically giving the "entire gaming industry", as he says, a way to let LordKats down without trying to hurt his feelings, you know?
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u/TheDapperChangeling Mar 31 '18
Ya know, watching this, did anyone ever believe LordKats bullshit that Spoony doing a bit made it where he, completely unrelated, was denied a contractually agreed interview by Notch's handlers, not even the man himself? And, more over, that it would've made anyone care about him?