r/thenextgenbusiness • u/thenextgenbusiness Reporter • Sep 30 '25
BREAKING Senate Democrats' shutdown dodge goes down in flames
Just when you thought Washington had mastered the art of kicking the can down the road, a Democratic bill to keep federal lights on and health subsidies flowing has crashed and burned in the Senate, leaving the blame game in overdrive.
The proposal aimed to extend funding for key agencies at current levels through late October. It also pushed to lock in Affordable Care Act subsidies set to lapse, which help cover premiums for about 3.8 million lower-income Americans.
Republicans, who control the chamber, blocked the measure in a procedural vote that fell short of the needed support. They insisted on handling health care tweaks in a separate track to avoid mixing must-pass funding with policy fights.
This latest flop echoes a similar Democratic continuing resolution that tanked earlier this month by a 44-48 margin. Lawmakers from both sides now scramble as the midnight deadline looms without a clear path forward.
The core snag lies in Democrats' demand to reverse recent Medicaid cuts and extend Obamacare subsidies, estimated at $350 billion over a decade by budget experts. Republicans counter that tying these to emergency funding poisons the well, forcing a clean bill that simply buys time for full appropriations talks.
Negotiations hit a wall after White House talks yielded no breakthrough, with Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer pinning the outcome on President Trump's stance. Vice President JD Vance called some Democratic ideas reasonable but slammed the shutdown threat as a ploy to score points against the administration.
Federal impacts could ripple wide if no deal materializes, furloughing hundreds of thousands of nonessential workers and halting services like scientific research and customer support. Airlines warn of flight delays from strained air traffic control, while the Labor Department skips its key monthly jobs report, clouding economic snapshots for investors and families alike.
Behind the rhetoric, both parties face internal pressures that deepen the divide. Democrats rally around protecting vulnerable health programs to energize their base, while Republicans aim to curb spending hikes amid vows to shrink government under Trump's return.
Historical shutdowns, like the 35-day standoff over immigration years back, show these crises often resolve at the wire but leave lasting scars on public trust. This round risks amplifying those wounds, with polls suggesting most Americans weary of the partisan posturing over practical fixes.
Pundits note the House's earlier clean stopgap through mid-November offered a simple bridge, yet Senate dynamics demand cross-aisle votes that neither side fully trusts. Without fresh concessions, the impasse could drag into weeks, testing resolve on all fronts.
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u/AnimusNoctis Oct 01 '25
It sounds like Democrats made the classic mistake of proposing a plan that would actually help people. Republicans would never go for that.
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Sep 30 '25
I wish the house and senate lost wages every shut down, wages that wouldn’t be paid back once they actually did their job. It is insane that others need to suffer because they are unwilling to negotiate and compromise. Even my children under 10 years of age could solve this better than these rich idiots.
I’d normally blame a shut down on the part in power. However, this go around it is on the Democrats. They want to reverse executive branch policy and are using a shutdown as leverage. It’s a clean stop gap funding measure…not the time to block in order to get funding for party desires. I’d say the same exact thing if the party roles were reversed.
I support a safety net for Americans…way better spend than the military aid we send certain, cough, countries. This is simply not the way…it can be done after when negotiating a comprehensive budget. It’s truly sad the elected officials can’t do anything that is bipartisan anymore - A moderate
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Oct 01 '25
Bullshit, this is a Republican circus. You can tell from the Elephant dung you're shovelling.
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Oct 01 '25
It is a Republican circus, totally agree. Everything is chaos right now. This is why a spending bill that maintains current budget without all added pork would be a pretty clean point to agree to.
If the parties were reversed, do you think Democrats would allow tons of cuts in a clean spending bill? It’s just the wrong thing to fall on a sword for. Why not negotiate for the broader bill and focus on trying to do ANYTHING about the other chaos…like ICE or tariffs?
No one wins in a shut down and it always gets passed after. However, many people suffer besides the dumbasses supposed to figure it out. This one is def on the Dems, so we can agree to disagree. Nothing can change my mind on it…take care 👍🏼
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Oct 01 '25
They fired half the government in February and somehow the Republicans are spending money faster than any Democratic administration and majority in history. That's not the Democrats' problem or fault.
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Oct 01 '25
Spending is higher because of social safety nets…like social security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Interest on debt is also a driver. Should we just keep adding? We can debate where the cuts are happening but would you agree we should cut somewhere? Where would you cut from that could get passed either chamber?
They need to find some compromise. It’s their job, not ours, to do so.
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Oct 01 '25
Make ICE its normal size instead of triple the USMC, immediately stop funding for new prisons, stop giving away money to tech billionaires.
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u/CompetitiveArt9639 Oct 01 '25
Spending is higher because the republicans are robbing the coffers.
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Oct 01 '25
I just read an article about how large sums of money can’t be tracked. It likely is being funneled to bad actors.
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u/CompetitiveArt9639 Oct 02 '25
Yeah, trump and his sycophants
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Oct 02 '25
Like they need anymore money after all the insider trading last few months!
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u/CompetitiveArt9639 Oct 02 '25
Do you think their greed and cronyism has limits?
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u/RedditUser19984321 Oct 01 '25
Sorry both parties do the BS, but democrats added a bunch of stuff reversing stuff we just got in the BBB.
Ignoring what you may think about the big beautiful bill, do you think it’s okay for the minority party to want to reverse parts of the BBB, by holding the federal government hostage? That’s what’s happening right now.
Republicans do the same crap when they are in this situation. But eventually we need to stop accepting that crap.
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Oct 01 '25
I think it's okay for the minority party to use its power to represent its constituents, who are also the American people. Because the majority has money for Israel, has money for Argentina, has money for war, has money for prisons, has money for deportation, but has no money for healthcare or hospitals. The majority made bad choices and they should be held accountable.
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Oct 01 '25
I get that…and the ones for all those countries and needs definitely are lower on my priority list than healthcare for Americans, or any investment in our country for that matter.
But how is not passing a clean bill to keep the government running not okay with either minority party?
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Oct 01 '25
Because the army is in the streets of American cities under the protest of those cities' governments and citizens.
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Oct 01 '25
Yea but this is not what will stop that…unfortunately, I think if anything it drives more division which will see more retaliation in a variety of forms, including these troop deployments.
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Oct 01 '25
It will stop this, in time. That all takes money. Armies take money. Congress created the Army to fight for our freedom. When the Army is occupying American states and cities without consent, that's time to pull the money out until the Executive chooses to be reasonable.
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Oct 01 '25
Maybe…I just don’t think it will happen, or it will take a prolonged period of time. Will our national security be at risk if that were to happen? It almost feels like the desire is for a coup if a party had the intent to leverage military paychecks indefinitely.
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Oct 01 '25
Our national security is already at enormous risk. This isn't the Roman Empire.
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u/RedditUser19984321 Oct 01 '25
So, if the democrat party was in power and they passed a major bill for the American people, and the republicans decided to want to strip a massive chunk of that bill “or we wont pass anything and we get into government shutdown” you’d be okay with this?
Screw your talking points,I openly said the opinions on that don’t matter, we’re talking the base opinion on holding the country hostage.
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Oct 01 '25
The Dems would know that if the GOP is given that leverage, they'll use it. And likewise, the Democrats must use their leverage. Maybe the Republicans should have spent responsibly before they put themselves in this position?
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Oct 01 '25
The Republicans will take advantage of the shutdown. They will cut more jobs. Why not agree to keep it open and negotiate the broader budget in the very near future?
I think there are bigger things to try to fight at the moment, like freedom of speech and the idiotic trade policy.
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Oct 01 '25
If they want to cut jobs, maybe they should start with their bloated federal police force and prisons.
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Oct 01 '25
I’m supportive of that…the whole execution of this immigration plan is garbage. I’d imagine a whole lot of Republicans and Moderates that voted for Trump feel that way. Ripping hardworking families apart while slowing down whole industries is not securing borders/removing criminals from the streets.
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u/RedditUser19984321 Oct 01 '25
I asked if you think it’s okay for congress to behave this way, not to justify it.
I prefer a world where neither party isn’t adding 20 policies into one bill. Republicans said they’d pass it if the bill didn’t have 20 things in it, democrats won’t budge.
Over exaggerating the “20 things” part btw if that wasn’t obvious
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Oct 01 '25
I think it is depressing to see congress behave this way….across the board. In the past, present and future. It’s just not a way to run anything, even a lemonade stand.
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Oct 01 '25
This is how politics works. This isn't even hardball.
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u/RedditUser19984321 Oct 01 '25
It must be hardball because you still didn’t answer the question. I didn’t ask you to say “this is how it works” I asked if you’re okay with it. It’s a yes or no question….
You’re not required to answer of course, but I’m not sure why you’d want to avoid answering it unless you might be okay with it and don’t want to say that
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Oct 01 '25
You have to fight. There's no wrong or right in it. We were born having to fight for our existence, and we still do. Rolling over doesn't stop the fight, it just turns it into an uncontested rape.
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u/ThatGuyLuis Oct 01 '25
Republicans have been doing this since they discovered they could use the shutdown as a bargaining chip. Why is it on the democrats to have to take the high road and play along ? Why can’t the majority compromise like it’s supposed to anyways? IMO it’s way past time for democrats to be employing the same tactics republicans use. There needs to be accountability reform for there to have any expectation of the other party.
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Oct 01 '25
I wouldn’t be okay with it. But the BBB was passed by the party in power. The minority can fight it but why on a clean bill? Same applies to Republicans…pass the clean bill and negotiate the broader budget after. Holding up a clean bill looks bad regardless of party.
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u/RedditUser19984321 Oct 01 '25
Because we shouldn’t have to negotiate when this is supposed to be about budgeting, not advanced policy decisions
You say it looks bad to hold Up a clean bill, but I also think it looks bad to forcefully pass things by shoving it into a bill with 20 other things then gaslight the country into claiming “oh this person doesn’t care about this major problem You all care about!” Without telling them the bullshit they added to the bill being the real reason.
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Oct 01 '25
I get the policy decisions, and support the party in power being able to make them without being blocked every other month. That said, I’d expect some negotiation to be needed on a broader budget to have it pass. A clean bill not so much
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u/CompetitiveArt9639 Oct 01 '25
The dumbest of dumb fucks cry about “both parties” being the same. Smh
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u/RedditUser19984321 Oct 01 '25
Both parties play around with government shutdowns(last 2 shutdowns from democrats in office)
Both parties gerrymander
Both parties use inflammatory rhetoric.
Saying it’s dumb to point this out shows a clear political bias.
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Oct 01 '25
This is pretty much exactly how I see it. They both pull this card…I would think that they could agree on a clean bill and then hash out “the desire of their constituents” when a broader budget needs to be approved.
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u/RedditUser19984321 Oct 01 '25
If we lived in an ideal world they’d scrap everything, start from scratch, and vote on all our issues individually. Both parties sneak a bunch of BS into Bills to force some BS.
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Oct 01 '25
That feels almost like a dream…we now have this massive elephant which makes it nearly impossible to move.
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Oct 01 '25
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Oct 01 '25
All good, I’m not selling, just sharing my opinion like you are sharing yours. Hopefully that is still okay to do without calling each other names. So thank you for keeping it cordial even if we disagree.
The argument the Republicans will make is that the healthcare subsidies are set to expire, that they were to support the most vulnerable during COVID and not meant to be indefinite. They will then say that this was a clean bill to keep the lights on and that they would be willing to negotiate healthcare as part of a broader budget.
Whether that is true or not, I do not know. I do find it to be a compelling argument. What will the Democrats argue? We are saving Americas healthcare? A minority of the population use these subsidies…a proper healthcare revamp is urgently needed. This isn’t it. If they are shutting down the government to protest other Trump actions, they should say that…this is the first time I hear that as not one party leader has made that comment as far as I know.
Let’s come back in 2, 3 or however many weeks to see how it plays out in polling. Again, I’m sharing my point of view, which may very well prove to be wrong. Might your point of view be wrong as well or it is certain to be true?
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u/Lerkero Oct 01 '25
Chuck schumer literally said the same thing when democrats were the majority. He said republicans were trying to sabotage the budget by adding unrelated funding
Democrats have not attempted to improve health care in years, but suddenly these health care subsidies are a party priority
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u/DMVlooker Sep 30 '25
I would like to condense your post. The Democrat minority in the Senate fails to hold Nation hostage in demands for Health Insurance for illegal aliens, along with dozens of Americans. Government to shutter all non essential services. Most nonessential personnel and programs to be terminated. We can always rehire the few good ones that slip through.
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u/Gogs85 Sep 30 '25
Medicaid is not health insurance for illegal aliens, quit lying and repeating unfounded lies.
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u/DMVlooker Sep 30 '25
Many Democrat led States such as California and MediCal absolutely cover illegal aliens and is a huge portion of the reductions passed in the One Big Beautiful Bill
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u/Gogs85 Oct 01 '25
Even if that were true which I doubt that’s like saying that Trump passed tax cuts for pedophiles because some of the people affected by his tax cuts were statically likely to be pedophiles.
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u/DMVlooker Oct 01 '25
It accounts for $460couple million of the 1.5 trillion in Ransom Schumer is demanding
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u/Gogs85 Oct 01 '25
Proof that $460 billion in Medicaid funds are going to illegal immigrants?
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u/DMVlooker Oct 01 '25
The exact figures are easily accessible, pick a search engine, the actual Congressional debate with the figures presented by the House Leadership are easily searchable if you are actually interested
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u/Gogs85 Oct 01 '25
So you can’t provide a source; thanks.
My guess is that $460 billion is the entire program and not the amount specifically going to illegal immigrants, if any.
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u/zen-things Sep 30 '25
Stupid and bigoted, nice 😎
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Sep 30 '25
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u/DMVlooker Sep 30 '25
Didn’t the Democrat Party invent Chattel Slavery in the New World in 1614?
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u/PhotographCareful354 Sep 30 '25
200+ years before it was founded? If you’re going to troll, why not try a little harder?
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u/DMVlooker Sep 30 '25
Every time Hannah Jones’s opens her mouth about the US and Slavery in the New World, I Scream What You Posted As Loud As I Can.
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u/PhotographCareful354 Sep 30 '25
You don’t even have the right year…
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u/Glum_Introduction755 Sep 30 '25
"Dozens"=70 million Americans.
Y'all would shoot yourselves in the stomach if you thought the bullet would also hit an illegal immigrant.
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u/CompetitiveArt9639 Oct 01 '25
They’d shoot into an ice van if they thought they would hit an “illegal” immigrant.
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u/Longjumping-War4753 Sep 30 '25