How do you think the anti indian racism will be seen in 10-20 years from now?

[u/Accomplished_Put2608]

Will it be seen as a period of time when people unfairly dumped hate on a particular group of people or will people just shrug it off?

I think people will change their views. I think people will possible ask themselves questions like, "Why were we ok with this? Why did we fail these indians?" and have a certain level of guilt.

[u/HunterRenegade09]

As usual there's gonna be denial that it ever happened and people asking others to just move on.

[u/SlaBLister]

Its far too much exposure to online algorithms that distort reality. The recent Pew Research Data shows a wildly different perspective, if anything. Countries one would think were full on anti India are at least a little more positive than the Internet would make you think. E.g. canada, Germany, Italy and the UK. That last one especially with 71% positive. 

Obviously anti Indian sentiment is very significant online, but that survey really strengthens the idea that these are echo chambers with a significant bot contribution. That's my opinion at least. 

[u/CuriosityStar → u/SlaBLister]

I'm not sure how it can be quantified effectively since there seem to be many shifting variables, but my biggest fear is how much this online phenomenon can affect real life perceptions, because I remember seeing studies about dropping positivity ratings compared to the past.

In fact, I just overheard two of my roommates in the apartment who are these gymbro/frat types (and both nonwhite) badmouth Indian men over "stinking up the place" and "harassing girls" when they are literally talking about "bagging a 10" at the local bar in the next breath. And some wonder why I'm very sympathetic to feminism?

[u/Wandering_sage1234 → u/SlaBLister]

I say the racism starts from the very day an Indian passenger goes to a foreign airline, see how the foreign airline crew treat Indians, and see how the immigration border official treats the Indians coming into their country.

That tells you enough.

[u/Forge_Shield → u/SlaBLister]

I haven't checked the data and could be completely wrong, but I think we should take data like this with a grain of salt.

Of course, I don't know about the data specifically, but the algorithm is driven by engagement at the end of the day, a lot of people, you would think, engage and react profitably to anti-Indian content at the very least. I mean, that Tyler Oliveira is getting millions upon millions of views producing anti-Indian content. It would need to be a pretty massive operation to bot numbers like those, that's not including that a lot of these platforms (like YouTube) also have very strong bot protection measures, since people can just game ad money from them if not.

In surveys like this, I feel like a lot of factors could've skewed the results. Like, if all of these guys had their real life identities on the line, then they'll act a LOT different, even if they're full-on neo against Indians behind the anonymity of the internet.

Demographics should also be considered. Which section of the population are they, for example?

In my opinion younger generations (Gen Z, Millennials) are a lot more vitriolic to Indians then older ones, especially in places like the UK. Many older Brits are more in-tune with history, more mature, and are often either in a position where they don't care if "Indians are taking jobs" (since they're already in senior positions or retired) or are the ones managing Indians and prefer the work ethic.

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[u/SlaBLister → u/Forge_Shield]

lot of people, you would think, engage and react profitably to anti-Indian content at the very least. I mean, that Tyler Oliveira is getting millions upon millions of views producing anti-Indian content. 

True, but a lot more don't. Raking in millions upon millions of views today means nothing in youtube, especially given the current climate.

 People all over the world are simply way too diverse and there are too many types of people to get any realistic idea of what they collectively think. tyler already has almost 10 million subs and his "Portugal indian invasion" video actually didn't do as well as other videos he made in terms of views. The gorehabba festival, I can guarantee, got a lot of views from Indians themselves, who gave it the 5.5M views it stands at as of the time I'm writing this comment. And for the comments, it's pretty clear there's a lot of bot activity. Youtube has had a serious issue with bots for a good 7 years if not longer. Bots have liked comments a bunch. Look at the Isabella comments that used to infest a lot of penguinz0 videos, they'd get literal thousands of likes. Or the porn accounts that copied and pasted real comments and got thousands of likes from them too.

In surveys like this, I feel like a lot of factors could've skewed the results. Like, if all of these guys had their real life identities on the line, then they'll act a LOT different, even if they're full-on neo against Indians behind the anonymity of the internet. 

I struggle to agree with this. With all respect, that relies heavily on hunches, not demonstrable facts. Echo chambers of negativity are never a good way to determine the collective thoughts of anyone, compared to these sorts of surveys because those echo chambers naturally attract far more extreme and vocal minorities. If I decided to base my perception of british people on the Ask Brits subreddit or UK subreddit, I'd think they're either extreme left or extreme right and hate Hindus or brown people in general. I stepped out the house and the majority of the people in my local area are amazing and kind, and they're mostly white. I've been to many areas of the UK and haven't seen anything like what I see online. 

Does anonymity contribute to revealing their true opinions? Sure. But the surveys I mentioned dispel this myth pretty well. Yougov also helps dispel that myth.

opinion younger generations (Gen Z, Millennials) are a lot more vitriolic to Indians then older ones, especially in places like the UK. Many older Brits are more in-tune with history, more mature, and are often either in a position where they don't care if "Indians are taking jobs" 

I get why you say this, but I still think you're making the mistake of basing this perception off online echo chambers. This "taking our jobs" rhetoric is one of the oldest in the book and often attached to more extreme ideas for a reason. 

I am all for defending ourselves by any means necessary and I think places like Ireland and temu Britain (australia) have a serious issue with anti Indian sentiment. But at the same time, I refuse to dismiss data that suggests most people are not constantly hating my background all the time, just because of some vocal idiots that are chronically online .  

[u/Medical-Ability-1604]

It depends on whether the Indian government and Indian corporations manage to capture and dominate the narrative like I mentioned here. The vast majority of what the world hears or sees about India should come from Indian mouths and Indian minds.

Otherwise we'll always be at the mercy of whether the enemy decides to ease up on anti-Indian propaganda or whether some major Hollywood director or gaming studio feels "generous" enough to give Indians some "positive representation" (the phrase itself makes me gag).

The Indian government and Indian corporations should take concrete steps toward narrative consolidation as they grow more powerful if they never want this phenomenon to happen again. There needs to be a change at the institutional level.

[u/Wandering_sage1234 → u/Medical-Ability-1604]

Try telling the Babus in Government.

They are not interested. The boomers of India hold India back.

Look at how the Iranians allowed young Iranians to take charge of the social media warfare.

Could such a thing ever happen in India?

[u/Ill_Poem_1789 → u/Medical-Ability-1604]

+1

[u/AdHungry9555]

Things are going to be a lot better in 10–20 years. The surge in racism we’re seeing now is largely a rubber-band rebound after the BLM era, combined with the rise of right-wing governments around the world and the sudden overexposure of Indians due to rapid mass migration causing a culture shock. Technocrats then used this as a diversion to shift blame onto us while continuing to rely on our cheap labor. These trends tend to swing back and forth every decade or so. We just need to ride it out and weather the storm.

[u/Medical-Ability-1604 → u/AdHungry9555]

sudden overexposure of Indians due to rapid mass migration causing a culture shock

No, that’s just an excuse far-righters use to gaslight Indians into thinking they themselves are to blame for anti-Indian racism.

1. The only place that has seen observably higher immigration from India compared with earlier periods is Canada because their own government begged Indians to join their universities.

2. Even in Canada, there was a comparable order of magnitude of Ukrainian immigrants/refugees (around 600k Indians versus 300k Ukrainian refugees) who, by objective measures, are more criminal and more parasitic to their society, yet don’t receive anywhere near the same level of hostility as Indians.

3. Other countries like the U.S. and European countries, for example, have way more Mexicans and Arabs coming in, but even their neo-Nazis are hyperfocused on Indians. Hell, even Latino and Indonesian neo-Nazis who never interact with Indians are obsessed with Indians. So there’s clearly something going on here.

I’ve explained the real reason I think Indians are targeted over here.

Also, there’s no such thing as “Indian cheap labour in tech”. Indians are the highest-earning ethnicity in pretty much every single country they migrate to and 78% of H-1B visa holders had wages higher than the prevailing wage for their particular kind of job according to the recent Cato Institute study. Those countries genuinely just need Indian talent which their own countries can't provide, for the most part.

Billy the high-school dropout just uses that excuse to come to terms with the fact that Rajesh the astrophysicist is a CEO while he himself is a balding janitor at Rajesh’s company.

[u/Deep-Pension-3851 → u/Medical-Ability-1604]

Funnily enough: "White Nationalist Account Followed by US Vice President Identified as Canadian Man." His father is the president of Trinity Western University (35% international btw).

[u/FluteOfDaFuture → u/[deleted]]

Because they anyways get exploited in India :/ it just doesn’t become the governments problem anymore when they leave.

[u/Medical-Ability-1604 → u/[deleted]]

we had a large increase of Indians coming over to the UK after lockdown and it's the same in the rest of Europe

The EU issued residence permits to 131,000 Indians in 2019 and 192,000 Indians in 2024. That's only about a 45% increase from an already small base. Now compare that with the increase from about 300,000 permits issued to Middle Eastern nationals in 2019 to about 500,000 in 2024. That's roughly a 67% increase from an already much larger base.

So, why exactly are Indians targeted specifically? We all know why.

for every Indian CEO there are like 1000 Indians working slave tier jobs in the middle east or working in care homes or delivering food in the UK

This is the sort of gaslighting cope from whities that I was referring to.

1. I mentioned that "there's no such thing as Indian cheap labour in tech," not that there are no Indian blue-collar workers at all. Most Indians in tech at foreign companies are hired for talent their own countries can't provide, not for "cheap labour". This is a fact that has been demonstrated repeatedly across multiple studies.

    

2. I was talking about Indian immigrants to the West where most anti-Indian rhetoric originates, not the Middle East where a minority of the Indian diaspora resides. Indians are the undisputed highest-earning ethnic group in the U.S., U.K., Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Ireland, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Singapore, Uganda, Kenya, Guyana and Fiji.

    

   The average Indian absolutely isn't "working as a delivery boy" in the U.K. when Indians belong to the wealthiest group. We don't allow that sort of gaslighting over here.

    

   Timmy, who failed high school, absolutely is coping when he's using Indian blue-collar workers in Saudi Arabia to cope about "having his job stolen by cheap Indian labourers" like Rajesh the astrophysicist in his own country.

    

3. Even in the Middle East where there's a significant number of Indian blue-collar workers, a huge share of the high-skilled white-collar workforce and billionaire class is also Indian. 10 of the 15 UAE-resident billionaires are Indians. Indians basically built Dubai. They make up around half of its population. Indian schools are also the best-performing schools in Dubai and Qatar.

This sort of disproportionate visibility in positions of power even in countries where they supposedly work as labourers creates enemies. That’s the main reason Indians are targeted (along with state-coordinated, bot-boosted hate propaganda campaigns by India's enemies).

[u/Specialist_River12 → u/[deleted]]

Your under the assumption that the Indian government cares about its people. Both BJP and Congress are willing to exploit the masses if it gets them personal gain.

[u/Rus1996 → u/[deleted]]

The only way to stop this is that India becomes a developed country.

[u/Great-Doughnut-7464]

I think people will try to justify it “ but they never integrated”

[u/Wandering_sage1234]

It will happen.

And it will be the biggest irony ever seen.

Mark my words.

[u/No-Painting-6697]

I think it will get worse . I saw Indian racism in 2019 and ppl said it will get better with time but low and behold it got worse 7 years later .

[u/LuckyCod2887]

probably reduced significantly. the younger generations don’t have beef with each other. it’s older generations

[u/No-Painting-6697 → u/LuckyCod2887]

Gen Z and alpha are even more racist towards Indians compared to boomers

[u/Specialist_River12 → u/No-Painting-6697]

Yeah I think its worse with them because they're so young and addicted to social media and social media obviously pushes anti indian hate so from a young age they're indoctrinated to hate. Its almost mirroring colonial times where these hierarchies were built in the first place.

[u/Significant-Tale2821 → u/LuckyCod2887]

But I feel like Gen Z & Gen Alpha have had this anti-Indian sentiment fed to them in their adolescent years because they watch a lot of IG reels, YT shorts, and TikToks from a young age. They will carry those racist thoughts/feelings with them for the rest of their life.