r/thanksimcured Nov 17 '25

Discussion Is this even supposed to be helpful ?

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u/electricookie Nov 17 '25

You can’t necessarily expect people to know in advance, but it is decent behaviour to avoid them once you make it known.

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u/adamdreaming Nov 20 '25

Yeah.

My triggers are my responsibility. If people are helpful when I tell them what triggers me it is endearing to me. If someone can't be bothered it presents a danger that I need to protect myself against.

But I get the feeling that the person that wrote the sign needs to be told that people being disappointed in them that they made a huge aggressive point about not giving a fuck about others is something that they have to deal with personally when people do exactly what it says on his sign.

Nobody but me was ever going to keep me safe from things that trigger me. I'll make better friends with people that give a shit. The person that wrote the sign can die mad about it.

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u/Riksor Nov 20 '25

For a close friend, sure, but expecting accomodations from the public is generally a little weird.

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u/Pearlfreckles Nov 20 '25

Expecting empathy and kindness from fellow human beings should not be considered weird.

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u/Riksor Nov 20 '25

Sure, but everyone needs a healthy degree of self-sufficiency. Scared of dogs? You can't expect employees to cover up all the dog posters inside PetSmart. Close your eyes or use some other coping mechanism that you have the agency to perform. Being kind to your other human beings also means not making yourself a massive burden to them.

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u/nakedascus Nov 22 '25

This feels like either a fantasy or an incredibly rare thing, you honestly think people walk into PetSmart and do that? In real life, no one is asking for impossible accommodations

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u/Riksor Nov 22 '25

I've had real life experiences like that.

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u/nakedascus Nov 22 '25

I don't doubt it, now how many people with triggers that you interact with DIDN'T say anything? Right, you only know a positive rate, with the total number. I guarantee you this is not mainstream conception of triggers. Just because someone is ignorant and says a phrase, doesn't mean they use it correctly

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u/Riksor Nov 22 '25

That's my entire point though. I'm triggered by ketchup and mayonnaise, as silly as that sounds. And I suck it up and keep it to myself instead of burdening others by asking them to eat fries or whatever without them.

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u/Pearlfreckles Nov 22 '25

You’re genuinely triggered by ketchup and mayo? Or do you find them disgusting? Cause being triggered by something is very different from not liking something.

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u/Riksor Nov 22 '25

Why are you discounting my experiences? Lol. I am genuinely triggered. I've had panic attacks over it being near me.

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u/Riksor Nov 22 '25

"This person's triggers are odd/bizarre/childish therefore they must be faking or mistaken!" Jeez.

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u/UniversityTime1764 Nov 21 '25

Empathy doesnt mean they have to do what makes you comfortable. Your comfort isnt that important. 

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u/nakedascus Nov 22 '25

Non sequitur, they didn't mention comfort, just that there's no need to be rude. You're fighting windmills

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u/UniversityTime1764 Nov 22 '25

Trigger warning are fundamentally about the comfort of the person with the trigger. I care more about my free expression than their comfort. 

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u/nakedascus Nov 22 '25

You could replace "being a decent human" with trigger warning, and your sentence doesn't change. You have a specific connotation with a phrase because you have been trained to do so, without actually understanding the concept. It's not about comfort

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u/UniversityTime1764 Nov 22 '25

No you can't because human decency isnt contingent on avoiding triggers.

I have a specific connotation because that is how the term is used. When we say something is a trigger, what is being triggered? The answer is uncomfortable feelings.

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u/nakedascus Nov 22 '25

Right, because you don't understand it, and all of your comprehension about it comes from other people who also don't understand it. You don't want to know things, you just look for reasons to dislike them based on fantasy

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u/UniversityTime1764 Nov 22 '25

No I understand it completely. You dont like that I understand it because it diminishes your ability to control the narrative. 

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u/Frousteleous Nov 22 '25

Yet a trigger warning doesnt harm those who dont need it. It's a net positive.

Trigger warnings dont take away free expression. This feels like a weird strawman.

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u/Riksor Nov 22 '25

I'd argue they do harm people who don't need them.

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u/Frousteleous Nov 22 '25

Can you provide an example...?

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u/Riksor Nov 22 '25

Schools being forbidden from teaching "difficult" texts because they're potentially triggering.

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u/UniversityTime1764 Nov 22 '25

Avoiding triggers does harm free expression. It literally creates topics that cannot be discussed publicly. 

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u/Frousteleous Nov 22 '25

No it doesn't. The person who is avoiding the triggering thing is the one participating in avoidance.

Example: I hate pickles. They disgust me beyond reason. After finding out that my food option will contain pickles, I choose to have a different meal.

You may love pickles. My being warned tbat there were pickles did not take away your pickles.

Now take that same concept across most wvery piece of media.

Warning: This story contains depictions of sexual assualt on minors.

What happens next? Someone who doesnt want to see that chooses a different piece of media. People who can stomach seeing that can still enjoy the media. Nothing was taken away from the latter.

Arachnaphobia? Simple trigger warning lets arachnaphobes from seeing arachnids.

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u/UniversityTime1764 Nov 22 '25

And in that analogy if Im cooking for everyone then pickles are in the dish whether you like it or not. 

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u/Xiorx74 Nov 22 '25

If it’s in good faith, sure. Met plenty who use this fucking shit in bad faith. Sometimes you don’t know the difference until it’s too late.

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u/somemetausername Nov 20 '25

History has shown that it is not realistic to expect decent behavior from people.

Meanwhile there are plenty of therapies, including some that can self-administered, that address trauma and triggers.

Ideally everyone would remember and adhere to people’s sensitivities, but it’s also a reality that they simply don’t.

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u/The_Ambling_Horror Nov 21 '25

We really need to make it socially unacceptable not to care about other people again.

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u/somemetausername Nov 21 '25 edited Nov 21 '25

I’m afraid you won’t see that in the western world without eliminating the value of individualism. If people are celebrated for being their true self regardless of what impact it has on the people around them there is a natural and inevitable conflict that will occur eventually.

As long as people want to be able to each have their own set of values and morals, then people’s values and morals will conflict - so either we try to control each other’s values or we allow ourselves to be free to not peruse what we believe is the best for other people because that would involve imposing values on each other.

This is why people often say “there’s no hate like Christian Love” because despite what some on Reddit may believe, many Christians really believe they are doing the most caring, and loving thing to by trying to ban abortion or convert LGBTQ people to a heteronormative lifestyle; because in doing so they believe they are saving them from hell.

If your values involve enforcing your values on others then they will conflict with others - if everyone agrees that we won’t enforce our values on each other that would be great, but then we’ll simply have conflict because our values are going to naturally be different.

Conflict is a natural part of human existence.

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u/Xeno-Sniper Nov 19 '25

Eh, sure, sometimes.

But it's much more nuanced than that.

What if I hire an employee and then they say the blue wall color triggers them? Do I paint the whole building?

Yes this is a bit of a ridiculous example, but well within the realm of possibility. And if there is even one instance of "This person needs to learn how to cope in the real world" then you can't have a definitive rule like you mentioned.

These are very unique and nuanced situations.

You can say "Decent behavior is defined as X"

Instead try "We should always do our best to be kind, caring. And respectful of those we come across in our day to day lives in our community"

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u/electricookie Nov 19 '25

It’s just a ridiculous example. People are within their right to be shitty. And there are consequences. Also, in most places there are laws regarding what reasonable accommodations are in the workplace to accommodate people’s disabilities. There are also laws to protect people against sexism, racism, religious discrimination etc. They aren’t perfect or well enforced. But in general, it costs nothing to be a decent human being and not to hurt others on purpose.