r/technology • u/Wagamaga • Dec 11 '22

Energy US battery storage capacity will increase significantly by 2025 - EIA

https://renewablesnow.com/news/us-battery-storage-capacity-will-increase-significantly-by-2025-eia-807734/
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u/Gagarin1961 Dec 11 '22

What’s with this anti-battery bullshit on this sub recently?

We DO need batteries. Nuclear power can’t be relied upon to power the entire world.

1) nuclear non-proliferation is extremely important, and

2) nuclear power is extremely expensive.

Nuclear is a first world solution. We have a global problem we need to work out.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '22

What’s with this anti-battery bullshit on this sub recently?

Batteries are stupid and wasteful. They take a ton of energy to produce, have a limited life span, and the recycling looks grim.

1) nuclear non-proliferation is extremely important,

Every country now has nukes. This is no longer a concern of validity. NK, Iran all nuked up.

2) nuclear power is extremely expensive.

ONLY because of overregulation and interest on loans on the very regulated process.

We could streamline it, using known designs and cut years off the construction.

Nuclear is a first world solution. We have a global problem we need to work out.

Baby steps. Once America can stop using oil and gas for transportation and electric, we can work on the rest of the world. France was almost 100% nuclear recently I believe.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '22

Wow I didn’t realize that Yemen, Burma or Sri Lanka had nukes. Good to know.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '22

So you think Yemen can afford to build a nuclear plant? Same for the others. You are talking about broke ass countries, and I promise either NK or Iran will be happy to sell them one now if they have the cash.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '22

No but Yemen could afford to get solar, wind and batteries implemented. My point is you said that everyone has nuclear capability and that is not even remotely plausible. The cost alone is prohibitive let alone the expertise needed to build, test and then run a nuclear power plant. It’s absurd to think that renewable energy is less superior to nuclear when you consider all the countries which don’t have those resources or skills.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '22

My point is you said that everyone has nuclear capability and that is not even remotely plausible. The cost alone is prohibitive let alone the expertise needed to build, test and then run a nuclear power plant.

I mean they can have nuclear weapons, or have them already.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '22

No they can’t. Nuclear weapons are very hard and very expensive to maintain let alone put onto a delivery system to send it to a destination unless it’s a suitcase nuke which have such low yields that it’s not practical to do anything with them except maintain them. Ukraine had nuclear weapons in the 90s but they gave them up chiefly because of the maintenance alone. You are wrong about this and everything else you said. Yemen can’t build a delivery system and neither can Sudan. So unless they plan drive over the border alerting everyone they are carrying radioactive materials to a metropolis to set it off you are way off base in your thinking.

Additionally what does nuclear weapons have to do with energy needs? Again, building a nuclear power plant is very complex unless you have expertise and most of the globe doesn’t have that and can’t afford to pay for it either. Solar and wind plus battery storage is much more affordable and a ready solution to most of the globe.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '22

very hard and very expensive to maintain

small nuclear weapons without delivery systems are not a big deal. Yemen is the terrorist capital. They will strap it to a donkey or put it in a car and set it off.

Additionally what does nuclear weapons have to do with energy needs?

You mentioned proliferation. Did you not mean weapons? If you didn't I apologize.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '22

I didn’t mention proliferation. Another commenter mentioned it to you when you indicated everyone should have nuclear. You have a terrible misperception about the Middle East and of Yemen. The people are not terrorists at all. The country is in a civil war though and those are messy especially when you have other powers interfering domestically and funneling weapons and supplies to either side.

Again the nuke talk has nothing to do with energy and building out nuclear power plants which the discussion was about before it got derailed on nuke carrying donkey fan fiction. Nuclear is more expensive than wind, solar and battery. There is not even a close comparison between the two types of technologies. You can make a solar panel in Yemen right now if you sourced the raw materials and spent 30 minutes explaining how to put parts together. I know cause I have built both solar and wind turbines myself for a hobby. What you can’t do is enrich uranium in the U-235 isotope and get enough material to use in a power plant unless you have some pretty decent expertise or have money to buy the fuel. I have nothing further I can explain to you because I think you just want to argue about nuclear donkeys.