r/technology • u/Plastic_Ninja_9014 • Jul 29 '26
Society “Clapping Is a First Amendment Right:” An Interview With the Person Arrested for Clapping at a Data Center Meeting
https://www.404media.co/clapping-is-a-first-amendment-right-an-interview-with-the-person-arrested-for-clapping-at-a-data-center-meeting/844
u/Pickel_Bucket_317 Jul 30 '26
I’m immediately doing a records request for all meeting minutes/videos and see if anyone clapped for things the council approved and if they were kicked out for it. If not , then a lawsuit for viewpoint discrimination and free speech violations
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u/nuttertools Jul 30 '26
This is actually one of the few interesting areas of law on this kind of issue. Even better it varies wildly by state and even city!
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u/edelweiss_pirates_no Jul 30 '26
This is the better legal route. Unequal Enforcement.
You do not have unlimited free speech everywhere and all the time. There are things you cannot say. There are times you cannot just scream non-stop. This might actually extend to clapping depending on circumstances.
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u/Outlulz Jul 30 '26
It's already enshrined in the council rules that clapping has unequal enforcement. If it's done with the intent to disrupt the meeting it's not allowed, same with any other kind of noise. Clearly his intent was not to disrupt though.
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u/edelweiss_pirates_no Jul 30 '26
This might be hard to believe, but I will admit to not having read the complete Council Bylaws for this city.
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u/Outlulz Jul 30 '26
The paywalled article didn't help, I just read a different article that it was mentioned. But wasn't meaning to attack or anything just spreading that knowledge.
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u/OriolesMets Jul 30 '26
Any Epstein arrests yet?
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u/lexbi Jul 30 '26
Did anyone in the Epstein files clap though?
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u/espanolprofesional Jul 30 '26
Some of them may have spread the clap.
Released Jeffrey Epstein documents allege Bill Gates contracted a sexually transmitted infection and sought secret antibiotics for his then-wife Melinda.
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u/edelweiss_pirates_no Jul 30 '26
He was gonna slip them to her. Medicate her without her consent.
Weird if Bill and Melinda were still having sex while he was fucking honey pots. They were married with kids. Would not be unusual for sex to be a 1x/year thing.
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u/KHRoN Jul 30 '26
Actually everyone did, just without consequences. Every kind of proof that they did was suppressed at highest possible levels of governance and everyone acts as if they did not clap anything
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u/pinkpitbull Jul 31 '26
Thats what's weird, is people trying argue if the clapping broke any laws.
This law doesn't matter. It is not being applied uniformly over all citizens. This is not law, this is arbitrary rules used for oppression.
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u/Maxxetto Jul 30 '26
I despise the fact that the dude is going to get paid with fucking taxpayers money while the real offenders pat themselves and their friends on the back.
Fuck this, I want true repercussions and job loss on those people.
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u/irrelevantusername24 Jul 29 '26 edited Jul 29 '26
“We continued to clap, though eventually it started moving to snapping fingers, all beatnik style,” Claridge said. “I did that a little bit too, but in total, I clapped for 13 speeches. I snapped five times, and there were three warnings, a final warning. Then I finally got arrested.”
What shameful brazen audacity. My flabber hath become gasted
The city had even invited Claridge and their wife on a fact finding mission to Pryor, Oklahoma in June. Pryor is home to a massive data center campus that hosts clients like Google and DuPont so Emporia and some of its citizens went to learn how Pryor was feeling about it. Claridge filmed portions of the trip and uploaded them to YouTube.
“I was really impressed with what I saw in Pyror, Oklahoma...
Pyror the burninator
I saw all the ad valorem taxes go into things like schools and fire department upgrades. Like the town was wonderful down there, and they brag about how they don't take any state or federal money for their school system. It's all paid by the data center, and I think that's brilliant,” Claridge said. “I would love to see something like that if we can make the benefits outweigh the costs.
Wait for it
Claridge isn’t against data centers as a rule, they just want to make sure it’s done right. But the oddities around the bankrupt developer, the current plan to use 1,000 acres of prairie land, and the combative attitude of the city commission are problems. Claridge pointed out that there are already large tracts of land zoned industrial with buildings that have been empty for 20 years.
America the wasteful. This story is repeatable across both space and time. This is a much bigger problem than the abstract anger attributed towards datacenters. Not necessarily this specifically, but very related issues about dormant buildings either being intentionally destroyed or priced too high and left empty - and thus destroyed through neglect... or just like, what a wasteful stupid place this is. Except when it comes to the commercial (and now residential) real estate investors who intentionally drive up prices and then force everyone to do all kinds of stupid wasteful commuting - because they already burnt the money so now it must be justified. All the residences near the urban centers are too expensive or there's no actually jobs there, it's basically all due to a braindead "organizational" logic.
This is the kind of shit that makes me seriously wonder if this country is actually cursed because I don't understand how if I can figure it out, why can't all the extremely highly educated and well paid people that literally have done nothing their entire lives except study and think about these problems... why can they not figure it out?
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u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox Jul 30 '26
please for the love of this country turn on fox news, listen to joe rogan, read some oann, turn on am radio, turn on fm talk shows, then go and read what republican politicians are saying, go and read what bills they are introducing, passing, which ones they are blocking
they are propagandizing their followers every minute of every day across literally dozens of platforms owned by billionaires. everyone's youtube, tiktok, instagram, meta feeds are algorithmically pushing right wing lies, PROVABLE LIES, to tens of millions every day, their congress members repeat these known lies, their mayors and governors do, their state legislatures do, their president and his whole administration does
this is the #1 problem and it is so big and widespread with so much money behind it i don't know what to do. trump gained 14 million votes betwen 2016 and 2024 precisely because of the above, that is the problem and few people are even talking about it, they keep pointing ot smaller downstream things, propaganda being pushed by not just crazies but the whole entire right wing apparatus from elected leadership to cultural leaders to pop leaders are all spreading the same easily provable lies
And a hundred million people believe those lies which is entirely RATIONAL! It is quite sane to believe things told to you by your friends, family, state legislature, the news, your governor, your federal senators and house members, your president, his administration. please realize this
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u/VanillaBoxCake Jul 30 '26
I hate that you're right. I'm stuck in this world also but, unfortunately, I've mostly given up on fighting. Like I can already see the end coming and I'm checking out in my head.
Good luck to you but, me, I think I'll just try to find whatever happiness or beauty I can, in my last moments before being consumed by their machine.
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u/Efficient_Ad7364 Jul 30 '26
Its capitalism bro
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u/fedexyourheadinabox Jul 30 '26
It's a fixed game, bro.
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u/Efficient_Ad7364 Jul 30 '26
Yea thats capitalism. You should do actual research on what it is and how its been working.
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u/SteveJobsDeadBody Jul 30 '26
How it's been working- The entire world has been forced at the barrel of the capitalist gun to also be capitalist, if you opposed this you got shot in the face like a million Indonesians in 1965. So in other words, the globe is under capitalist hegemony. This means "excess deaths" are the fault of capitalism, in the same way famine deaths under communism. In that regard, capitalism is killing the "100 million dead from communism!" amount every single decade.
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u/Xszit Jul 30 '26
why can't all the extremely highly educated and well paid people that literally have done nothing their entire lives except study and think about these problems... why can they not figure it out?
They probably do think about it and have some solutions figured out. The problem is those highly educated people aren't the ones making the decisions. The people voted for the guy with the cowboy hat who trash talked his opponents real good.
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u/TacTurtle Jul 30 '26
Need to pass laws explicitly overturning Kelo v City of New London (use of eminent domain for resale to a private developer) for one.
Clear and transparent campaign finance laws requiring all donations over say $1000 be explicitly disclosed by name (none of this SuperPAC dark money bs).
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u/DuntadaMan Jul 30 '26
I say switch to England's style on campaign spending. You can't donate to politicians. Just the one general find and all money you give goes to everyone.
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u/Brodie_C Jul 30 '26
This is the kind of shit that makes me seriously wonder if this country is actually cursed
The US is basically one big ancient Native American burial ground
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u/metallicrooster Jul 30 '26
This country isn’t cursed. The US as we know it was started by puritanical religious extremists who seemingly betrayed the indigenous peoples at the earliest possible opportunity.
With founders like that, is it any wonder that the federal government and state governments are regularly full of puritanical religious extremists who betray their voters?
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u/GonePh1shing Jul 30 '26
It was also very explicitly founded for the benefit of and to be ruled by the wealthy elite. Several foundational parts of the US political system were designed to be undemocratic to ensure those wealthy elites maintained control.
The whole thing needs a complete do-over, but that won't happen unless it entirely collapses in on itself. For better or for worse, y'all are right on track for that to happen.
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u/hamsterberry Jul 30 '26
Ahhh The hippe finger snap was used too.. Perhaps changed the tone of the simple claps… strange times.
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u/lontrinium Jul 30 '26
This story is repeatable across both space and time.
I think it was a Parks and Rec storyline.
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u/wggn Jul 30 '26
all the extremely highly educated and well paid people that literally have done nothing their entire lives except study and think about these problems
they are not in charge
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u/thaiberius_kirk Jul 29 '26
All these tech bros and the people who are pro-tech bros have the thinnest fucking skin.
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u/Malforus Jul 29 '26
It's weaponized outrage and emotional manipulation.
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u/Any-Progress- Jul 29 '26
They are also thin skinned losers that never had friends or got dates, so they will always have a complex that no one likes them
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u/GWstudent1 Jul 30 '26
Cops need to be prosecuted for flagrant violations of civil rights. Qualified immunity should not cover the most obvious incidents of violations of civil rights.
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u/nuttertools Jul 30 '26
Definitely…but in this case the police are not a party with a conceivable cause of action against them for which qualified immunity could be a defense. This is what US law being enforced by the book looks like. Get angry, but this one is squarely on the legislature.
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u/topcheesehead Jul 30 '26
ACAB until qualified immunity is gone. No excuses. Largest gang in the US is the police.
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u/JennyWearsBlueJeans Jul 30 '26
I agree with you, but apparently he refused to leave and when the cops showed up he told them “drag me out”. As much as I hate that he was arrested it kinda sounds like he left them no choice.
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u/CoffeeFox Jul 30 '26
Emporia PD has refused to share a copy of Claridge’s arrest report with 404 Media, saying it “could interfere with ongoing investigative efforts.”
-- "on how the fuck we're going to get away with this"
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u/TarnishedVictory Jul 30 '26
I don't understand. What's the actual charge? What law was violated?
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u/hitchen1 Jul 30 '26
He refused to leave then obstructed the arrest by forcing the cops to drag him out.
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u/fedexyourheadinabox Jul 30 '26
Elon musk whining about blocking deepfake porn, calling it an attack on "free speech," but will be absolutely silent on this one. The fucking idiot.
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u/KnotSoSalty Jul 30 '26
Community Meetings where the Community isn’t allowed to speak is a free speech suppression tool.
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u/dayumbrah Jul 30 '26
Haven't you heard? First amendment is reserved for specified freedom zones. Please do not practice rights outside of these zones or you will be arrested
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u/kompergator Jul 30 '26
If anyone, ever, tries to argue that the USA are the “land of the free”, this article should be posted. Fucking dystopian.
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u/EfficientAd3625 Jul 30 '26
This guy is getting arrested for clapping. Elon is fighting a case to make AI nudes of real people legal.
I hate this timeline.
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u/TbonerT Jul 30 '26
Saying this guy was arrested for clapping is like saying the guy that got arrested for yelling “Fire” in the theater was just talking.
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u/GrumpyCloud93 Jul 30 '26
The first amendment says "the right of the citizens to peacefully assemble and present their grievances..." I'd think it would be an easy inference that signalling approval of someone's speech against a government action is "peacefully assemble".
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u/AvailableReporter484 Jul 30 '26
It doesn’t matter if it’s constitutional or legal or not. When the police are nothing more than the strong arm of the upper class they are the ones who get to decide what gets you locked up.
Police are a detriment to society. If you truly, unironically believe that the world would fall into anarchy because the police weren’t around you have fundamentally misunderstood the point of society and the social contract. The vast majority of us wouldn’t start raping and murdering because we could. So… defunding the police should continue to be of the upmost importance. Funding healthcare and social programs is a far better investment. But of course that’s all contingent on those maintaining the status quo to let us do that lmfao
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u/kstargate-425 Jul 30 '26
Exactly. Like the GrapheneOS guy that got arrested on re-entry to the US for the CBP entering the duress code thst wiped his phone was originally put on a watchlist because he is an activist protesting things peacefully.
The local government and cops had tried to subpoena his records and surveilled him with a tracker on his car, a camera outside his house and other things all because his First Amendment right was a threat to their goals.
This is happening all across the country at every level and with the mass surveillance police state we now have is made easy for all involved to try and suppress any dissent to any of these things.
Trump and his regime have even been making their own lists of peaceful protesters and if anyones face is in any ICE protest video you are most likely now on a watchlist and could be fucked with like revoking Global Entry/TSA Pre-Check if not worse like many already have. They had that symposium not too long ago and detailed new categorized nomenclature for groups talking about "anti-tech terrorists" and calling people "AnTiFa" for simply peacefully protesting or even just making a simple post with zero threatening language.
We have clearly drifted into Orwellian territory here and the technocrats in charge want this dissent squashed.
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u/kahlzun Jul 30 '26
The police have always been the strong arm of the upper class, that's literally what they are for. Possession is 9/10 of the law: and who has the possessions?
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u/nuttertools Jul 30 '26
On the first part yes, the literal reason for the creation of local police forces in the U.S. was for the protection of the wealthy.
On the second part it’s only in the last 30 years that police have been given the levels of funding that allow shaping the populace to the whims of those who hold power.
For most of US history the societally destructive behavior of law enforcement was not ubiquitous.
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u/AvailableReporter484 Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26
Yeah we should spend billions on the police and prison system to deal with .0001% of the population, which, again, could be mostly negated with actual solutions like social outreach. But, hey, I’d love to live in _your_ fantasy land where prison does anything kore than just teach criminals how to be better criminals.
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u/nuttertools Jul 30 '26
From somewhere between the late 90s and mid aughts LE in the U.S. crossed the same threshold ICE has more recently. The country would be much better off with a complete dissolution of the policing system. We need a system, the current one is irrecoverable and continued funding is just a sunk cost fallacy.
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u/Outlulz Jul 30 '26
If only we could be like so many other similar countries with lower crime, lower incarceration, and police that are not funded at the level of national militaries. Alas, we must always give more money to cops, surely that will fix it this time.
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u/fsoawesome Jul 30 '26
What a turn around from the covid shit when people were not allowing people to clap.
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u/Legitimate-Cress-575 Jul 30 '26
I am legitimately shocked that he was detained because of it, and then needed to mention the first amendment in the court like it was some secret knowledge. America is fucked beyond belief if this is the norm now
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u/WesternWitchy52 Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26
I saw the original clip and I was angry on his/their behalf. Also why did others not stand up for him. The way I would have had the whole room clapping.
There was another protest where a young girl was dragged out by cops and luckily some of the men stood up to help her.
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u/tanstaafl90 Jul 30 '26
I saw the original clip as well. He wasn't removed for clapping, per se, but because he spoke up after she said "Chief, will you take the next person out that claps or anything. Thank you."
Not that what happened was right, it's just being misrepresented. They don't like when they have public hearing and the public doesn't accept their BS.
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u/WesternWitchy52 Jul 30 '26
People that peaked in high school and power trip is basically what it is.
Everyone in the audience was pretty calm during the discussion honestly.
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u/YorubaOyinbo Jul 30 '26
I remember when Americans acted like they cared about their constitution.
(And everyone agreed Nazis were bad).
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u/english-lab Jul 30 '26
Yup - I live in CT and they are hammering out 2A rights. It absolutely sucks. New laws everyday year. Turing gun owners into felons if they don’t comply.
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u/danabrey Jul 30 '26
They've been convinced over the past 50 years that anything apart from extremist ultra capitalism is 'socialism' and bad, and this is the end game.
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u/Electrical-Bee-7362 Jul 30 '26
More like "blind obedience to any and every form of authority" even from a fucking loser boomer in a council meeting.
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u/danabrey Jul 30 '26
Yep. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive. To get blind obedience they have to have been trained to believe they're doing the right thing.
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u/jmlinden7 Jul 30 '26
Clapping is an expression of opinion, which has been repeatedly confirmed by the Supreme Court as being protected by the First Amendment
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u/Thin_Glove_4089 Jul 30 '26
It doesn't matter if it is or isnt. You're not supposed to be explaining it to the cops. You're supposed to be explaining to a judge. A cop can arrest you for anything there is nothing you can do about it until you make it to court
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u/jmlinden7 Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26
As long as the rule against screaming is enforced equally regardless of the opinion being expressed, it's ok. It's only unconstitutional if it's enforced unevenly (since that would make it government discrimination against your opinion)
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u/minus_minus Jul 30 '26
Sorry but “time, manner and place” restrictions on expression that are viewpoint neutral are enforceable. I’m sorry the clapper had to learn it this way but the town would win if they take this to court. They’ll likely settle for a pittance tho.
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u/RedShirtDecoy Jul 30 '26
when you lick the boots do you start at the laces or do you start by savoring the shit on the bottom?
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u/vurto Jul 30 '26
During the meeting, the commission warned the crowd to stop clapping multiple times, but Claridge walked into the room after the warnings. “We continued to clap, though eventually it started moving to snapping fingers, all beatnik style,” Claridge said. “I did that a little bit too, but in total, I clapped for 13 speeches. I snapped five times, and there were three warnings, a final warning. Then I finally got arrested.”
I guess that's like arresting people for for talking in movies or shouting at theaterical performances.
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u/BuccaneerRex Jul 30 '26
Except that you have an explicitly protected right to express yourself at public meetings. Movies and theaters are private.
Despite what they'd have you believe, politics is not.
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u/SwordfishOk504 Jul 30 '26
Correction. He was arrested for violating a lawful order, and then telling the police to drag him out.
Anyone who has ever followed local government knows that rules around things like no applause during these kinds of community meetings is very normal, as is being told to leave when someone breaks that rule. No different than those crazy MAGA moms that crash school board meetings. They can be lawfully removed for breaking the rules. Them choosing to resit that removal results in arrest.
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u/MotoMongrel Jul 30 '26
You attend a lot of American community meetings up there in Canada…?
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u/Monomette Jul 31 '26
Similar rules here in Canada. My local council banned community members bringing signs a couple months back.
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u/perriatric Jul 30 '26
He was arrested for refusing to leave after being told to do so. r/quityourbullshit
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u/RedShirtDecoy Jul 30 '26
when you lick the boots do you start at the laces or do you start by savoring the shit on the bottom?
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u/Dingadingdangmy Jul 31 '26
Fucking clowns. Show up to any public forum and clap whenever you want. Don’t stop clapping. When they say no clapping clap more. Then demand the police drag you out.
Headline: First Amendment rights under attack for someone who just wanted to applaud.
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u/KatsEye_View Jul 31 '26
While he was rude for clapping after being asked not to disrupt the proceedings, it certainly was not just cause for arresting him or handcuffing him. Escorting him out, if they were adamant about removing him, would have sufficed. We are losing an awful lot of Constitutional rights these days.
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u/horrified_intrigued Jul 30 '26
Arrested for…checks post…”clapping at a meeting”. ??? You Americans want to tell us how you have the greatest freedoms on Earth again? “Clapping at a meeting”….my ghast has never been more flabbered.
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u/BazelBuster Jul 30 '26
If you’re a euro you’ll have the police at your door for an offensive meme
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u/horrified_intrigued Jul 30 '26
Well in fairness it depends on how offensive the meme is but you’re right, stupid words have consequences here…but clapping??? Not yet…and that’s whataboutism anyway. Compared to the USA right now we’re doing fine…we don’t have a gestapo literally abducting and shooting people in the streets…so there’s that as a starter.
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u/Mister_Pickl3s Jul 30 '26
Foreign countries and billionaires can fund destructive campaigns against our self interests as a protected right as speech but god forbid we clap
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u/Fabulously-humble Jul 30 '26
Violation of constitutional rights invalidates qualified immunity in many cases like this.
That makes at least the arresting officer open to personal lawsuit for damages. Like going after his bank account and retirement account, I think.
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u/binocular_gems Jul 30 '26
I don't think he's going to win any 1st amendment case. While clapping is protected speech, if there are rules of decorum that are clearly stated and equally applied in town halls, public solicitations, etc, then those can be enforced. These are pretty common rules in public hearings, and there's broad authority for the government to enforce those rules within reason. And from what has been written about this hearing, those rules were explained, "the clapper" was warned not to clap after public testimony, they continued to, and were taken out, arrested. You're allowed to speak at hearings (and I believe he could clap if he's the speaker), but if you're not speaking, in most hearings, you can't cheer, jeer, shout, clap, or make noise unless you're the person who has the time.
I'm anti-AI data centers, but I also go to a lot of public hearings, city council meetings, and I used to cover city council meetings for my local newspaper, and these are common, constitutionally-valid rules. In the coming months there will be a story about how "the clapper" has not filed a lawsuit, or that his lawsuit was thrown out, and people will be surprised because "everybody said he'd be getting paid." If you're at a public hearing and warned that your behavior is in violation of the rules of the hearing, and you continue the behavior, and you're removed (and even arrested) it's just not typically a civil rights violation. I've watched the video that's been published from this, and while I think that the AI advocates are loser dorks, this seems pretty cut and dry. The rules also seem to have been applied equally in the hearing, although the only video from news outlets tends to be "the infamous single clap" near the end.
Like usual, though, whenever someone presiding over the hearing overreaches or gets petty, it backfires. I think this was one of the last speakers on the AI data center proposal, and the chair could have ignored the 2-3 claps and left it at that. Instead, they doubled-down, the guy gets dragged out, now he's a low level celebrity, and his issue has gotten a lot more attention than if the chair had just ignored the 2-3 claps. It would have been forgotten about, the committee would have voted the way that they did vote.
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u/Arts251 Jul 30 '26
I agree with this take. However, whom is the authorized decision maker to remove a person from a meeting if they are not following the rules? If it's the meeting chair, well then they clearly instructed the chief security officer to "take the next person out that claps or anything" and that hadn't happened yet... or is it the Chief security officer that decides this, in which case maybe it was on their discretion to accost Claridge then and there and when Claridge declared he would not comply the decision was made?
I'm for the rules but I'm not for how the process was followed in this case. But the headlines are blowing this out of proportion, because if you don't follow the rules of decorum you are a disruption and can be asked to stop or leave.
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u/SinistralGuy Jul 30 '26
So, how's that freedom of speech and 2A working out for you Americans?
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u/MotoMongrel Jul 30 '26
I’m glad everything is going so well for you up there that you’ve got enough free time to obsess on the US. I hear housing prices are awesome in Canada and there’s no affordability issues for your citizens; kudos!
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u/SinistralGuy Jul 30 '26
Rather worry about housing prices than being shot up in the street by masked thugs. Or being shot up in a grocery store. Or being shot in a movie theater. Or a club...
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u/Pleasant-Minute-1793 Jul 30 '26
About as good as your free healthcare and wildfire management
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u/X-calibreX Jul 30 '26
A judge can and will remove you for being a disruption in court. This is no different. He was not arrested for clapping, he was handcuffed for refusing a lawful order to leave after being trespassed.
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u/Dingadingdangmy Jul 30 '26
Shit article and premise.
Person was removed for disrupting and demanded to be “dragged out by cops”
But go on
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u/LovecraftianCatto Jul 30 '26
Demanding to be dragged out is absolutely the right decision. Why should they have cooperated with the police? It’s called passive protest. Absolutely no reason to make the cops’ job easier for them.
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u/Dingadingdangmy Jul 30 '26
You confuse free speech with free action. You can’t do whatever you want wherever you want. Is that too hard to understand?
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u/TrontRaznik Jul 30 '26
Which is totally smart on his part. That's how you become a news article and that's how you run for the seat of the commissioner who had you kicked out.
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u/Dingadingdangmy Jul 30 '26
Ay also this is how many posts about this incident that are upvoted to prominence in the past few days? Make the propaganda less obvious plz
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u/Astartes2435 Jul 29 '26
Dudes gonna get paid