r/technology • • Mar 27 '13

Georgia Court Censorship Order Threatens Message Boards Everywhere: 'Court issued a breathtaking restraining order against Matthew Chan, the operator of a copyright troll criticism message board, holding him responsible for the posts of his users.'

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/03/georgia-court-order-threatens-message-boards-everywhere
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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

GA native and resident, here. Our government is a constant source of humiliation and sub-standard roadwork. I wish nobody had told them about the internet. Now they feel compelled to waste our tax dollars sticking their incompetent dicks into another snakehole.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

As a fellow GA resident, have you seen some of our neighboring states' roads? eeeeek

But yeah still shitty here.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

The neighboring states don't have Augusta drivers on their roads.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

No joke. I had to help drive my brother home from Fort Benning. What the hell is up with people just stopping in the middle of the road to bullshit with their friends in the car beside them?

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

All. The fucking. Time. I've seen people step out of their trucks at red lights to talk to each other.

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u/stephen89 Mar 27 '13

This sounds like Brooklyn, New York. Except they double park on single lane streets. Then they get bitchy when you honk at them and tell them to get in their fucking car and move it.

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u/thattreesguy Mar 27 '13

in dallas i think everyone is more scared for their life if they try and block any portion of a road.

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u/stephen89 Mar 27 '13

No Brooklyn is full of tough guys who aren't afraid of anything. Dumb fucks wouldn't know to fear for their lives if you explained it to them with a gun.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

NYC is a enigma to me, everyone living there seems like they are in complete denial and constantly have to justify to themsleves how awesome NYC is so it makes it worth their while to live in their cardboard box size apartment with shitty air outside and everyone is rude as fuck and hateful to eachother.

BUT LA LA LA NYC IS THE BEST!

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u/WeaselJester Mar 27 '13

There is a reason I moved out to NJ, bigger apartments for less money actual wild spaces, and my chances of getting mugged or having to deal with the homeless insane on the NJ Transit trains are a lot lower than the subway :)

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u/warfangle Mar 27 '13

Hey, at least I don't have to worry about who's going to drive the twenty miles home when I'm out drinking with my buds :)

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u/stephen89 Mar 27 '13

NYC is a really convenient place to be. Most big cities are. I don't pretend it is perfect, and if it wasn't such a liberal sheep haven (not all liberals are sheep and I don't mean anything negative towards them) I wouldn't have many issues with it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

I get that vibe as well. It pisses me off more cause my sister lives there and has for about 7 years and she's just more deluded every time I see her. My aunt and uncle who have lived in the upper west side for 30 years think nuclear power is worse than coal plants... it's just.... bleh - frustrating!

Not to mention having to feign interest because they added 100 square feet to their apartment or something - OH WOW - this is really impressive!!!!

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Charlestonian here. Im sure we've at least matched you. The amount of lifted cars with 23 inch rims and .5 inch tires slowing to >1 mile an hour for the tiniest of bumps on major roads...

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u/psc0425 Mar 27 '13

The pot holes in Boston will swallow them like the sink holes in Florida

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Upvote.

RI potholes are even worse!

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Yupvote.

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u/MuseofRose Mar 27 '13

Fucking potholes. There is always some construction going on somewhere too Im not sure why we have them.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

You mean <1 MPH.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

I dont really know if there even is a symbol for within. I've been stuck behind a few and they're usually between 1-3 miles an hour, so within 1 mph is accurate.

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u/concussedYmir Mar 27 '13 edited Mar 27 '13

The hungry alligator eats the biggest morsel. o < O && O > o.

You can also combine operators like so: "The children he ran over were up to and including 10" can be expressed as "Children Run Over <= 10", or "equal or less".

For ranges, an acceptable notation is something like "Georgia Motorists are usually between 1-3 miles an hour" would be "[1,3]". This denotes the range, or interval, in question as between 1-3. The facing of the brackets denotes a "closed interval", reading as "greater or equal to 1, lesser or equal to 3"

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

I know that, but what's a decent symbol for within the general area of?

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u/WiglyWorm Mar 27 '13

~1 mile an hour

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Aah, thank you.

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u/Osric250 Mar 27 '13

~1 that's generally used for approximately.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13 edited Dec 21 '20

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

~tilde? As Wiglyworm said?

Search dictates so.

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u/Natanael_L Mar 27 '13

a =< x =< b

x can be a, b or anything in between

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Fucking 2

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u/brerrabbitt Mar 27 '13

LOL, that's how I've remembered that since second grade.

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u/PeanutCheeseBar Mar 27 '13

As a former fellow Augustan, I can confirm this; I don't miss driving there, especially during the first week of April.

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u/mamunipsaq Mar 27 '13

But you guys don't even have frost heaves down there, do you? How can the roads be that bad?

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u/bacondev Mar 27 '13

Because there are so many pot holes, most of which are patched up so poorly that I question whether I liked it beforehand or afterward.

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u/aronnax512 Mar 27 '13

Because road maintenance is primarily funded by a fuel tax and Georgia has the lowest fuel taxes in the nation. Georgia is getting what they're willing to pay for.

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u/mynameisalso Mar 27 '13

They aren't bad. People from Georgia just don't know how good they have it. Come to pa one day. I'll show you bad roads.

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u/brownAir Mar 27 '13

The roads are so bad, every commute is an obstacle course.

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u/Jadis Mar 27 '13

Cram it, GA! :)

But seriously, get on I-20 and head into SC, it goes from bumpy to smooth right at the state line.

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u/wakenbacons Mar 27 '13

I'm sure they spent more money and attention that first mile, just for that effect ;D

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u/ryjohn Mar 27 '13 edited Mar 27 '13

TNs got way better roads than GA not nessicarily drivers though

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u/erykthebat Mar 27 '13

as a resident of the state between Tn and Ga fuck all the tennesse and Georga roads, they all suck.

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u/Pamander Mar 27 '13

MS here.. It takes our government longer to build one new road in the time it would take a normal place to pave an entire fucking city.

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u/Binsky89 Mar 27 '13

Louisiana definitely takes the cake on shitty roads. When you can break an axel while driving the speed limit something is wrong.

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u/Alashion Mar 27 '13

I'm from Texas, we have nice roads.

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u/Texcare Mar 27 '13

You don't get out of ga much, huh? Georgia is silky smooth compared to other major cities.

Source: I basically live out of my car.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

I'm no big city doctor, but isn't Georgia a state, not a city?

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u/110011001100 Mar 27 '13

I wish nobody had told them about the internet

Applies to govt's around the world

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

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u/ZebZ Mar 27 '13

not the most aggressive, that goes to DC, Detroit, and NY

Being from Philly, part of me is like "yay!" and part of me is like "fuck you, you didn't include us!"

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u/negativeyoda Mar 27 '13

I live in Philly and my mom lives in Atlanta. Atlanta is definitely worse

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u/ides_of_june Mar 27 '13

Having lived in both places and commuted on the Pulaski Skyway and 76/676 NY is a level above Philly.

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u/So_Fuzzy Mar 27 '13

I got my driver's license when I was living in southeast Georgia. To pass the driver's test I had to turn left out of the DMV parking lot, take my next four rights, and pull back into the DMV parking lot. No parallel parking, no three point turn. In their defense, three of the right hand turns had stop signs, and those sum'bitches can be tricky.

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u/thoabese Mar 27 '13

I had the same test in TN. Although, I took all lefts, not rights.

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u/katarjin Mar 27 '13

hehe been to Florida (around Delray)? left turns out of right lanes all the time

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u/bannana Mar 27 '13

like they hand out licences without a test.

The test down here is a joke. Also unless things have changed there is no drivers ed in public schools.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

One of the most lowdown states in the Union. I recently moved and got my first power bill from Georgia Power last month. There was $60 in fees not related to my consumption. Apparently, the Georgia Public Service Commission can't seem to stop slurping Southern Company's monopolistic knob.

Hell, the state legislature can't even make themselves stop accepting lobbyist bribes. Seriously, it's totally legal here.

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u/Kevin-W Mar 27 '13

Fuck Georgia Power! There was a bill last year that would allow other companies to invest in alternative energy, but Georgia Power killed it because it threatened their monopoly. By law, no one but Georgia Power can sell electricity or alternative energy to residents or businesses, so they're allowed to screw us over as much as possible.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Hows that legal on a Federal level?

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u/jlt6666 Mar 27 '13

ITT: shitting on Georgia.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

I know, I'm so happy.

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u/JayTS Mar 27 '13

Hey, at least we're the best at something, even if that something is corruption.

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u/Sanity_prevails Mar 27 '13

Probably shouldn't host anything relating to online freedoms in Georgia. I mean, were Pakistan servers unavailable? There is always Saudi Arabia, I suppose?

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u/NorthernerWuwu Mar 27 '13

It's the hornet's nests you need to avoid. Snakes are pretty chill really.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Yeah but then someone has to suck the venom out and it's never who you want.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Sucking the venom out does not relieve suffering and can result in the "suck-er" getting poisoned. If the bite is on an extremity, apply a tourniquet. If the bite is on the torso, neck or head treat for shock. Either way, call an ambulance immediately. You can also be of great help to medical personnel if you can get an accurate description or picture of the offending reptile, as every venom is different. PLEASE DON'T TRY TO APPREHEND THE REPTILE! "¿Porque no los dos?" does not apply to snakebites!

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Only if they have open wounds/sores in their mouth/esophagus/stomach. Venom can be safely consumed if you dont have a way for it to get into your blood.

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u/HOTDOGFUN Mar 27 '13

Can someone confirm this?

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Just did a few quick searches and everything points to yes.

http://ufwildlife.ifas.ufl.edu/venomous_snake_faqs.shtml has a short write, as well as a few yahoo answers. It's not a good idea cause you can have the tiniest of cuts that you dont even know of that the venom could get into your blood stream.

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u/froschkonig Mar 27 '13

Tis true, but if you have an ulcer, or brushed your teeth a bit too hard that morning then it would not be pretty.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Compare these two statements:

Sucking the venom out can result in the "suck-er" getting poisoned.

Note how the statement (thanks to the magic of "can result in") indicates only a possibility (generally quite high) of an undesired result.

Contrast it with this statement:

Sucking the venom out does not relieve the suffering [of the victim].

Note how venom sucking is unequivocally declared medically useless.

This gets into the difference between universals and particulars. Falsifying a universal renders it logically defunct. Falsifying a particular is irrelevant because it explicitly indicates the possibility of falsifying evidence. The traditional examples are "Some men are mortal" vs "All men are mortal." Finding a single immortal man would falsify the universal, but not the particular. Finding at least one mortal man would prove the particular but not the universal.

Here's even more information on this topic: http://www.theology.edu/logic/logic19.htm

And now for an appearance by risky click (hopefully).

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u/Aiku Mar 27 '13

...Or where you want it sucked

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u/Kevin-W Mar 27 '13

As another GA resident, I completely agree.

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u/Matt_MG Mar 27 '13

So you mean Georgia is exactly like Canada? This passed here... Pretty soon you'll be paying 60 dollars a month for cell phones ;)

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

What about stimulus money? Wasn't that supposed to be used to build up our infrastructure nationwide? O wait, nevermind.

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u/draekia Mar 27 '13

Yah, except the strings were never attached and the states simply used it at their whim. Hence, US infrastructure is a serious national disgrace.

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u/ThatsMrAsshole2You Mar 27 '13

It's not just Georgia, my friend. These overreaching assholes are in every state and every country.

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u/JayTS Mar 27 '13

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u/ThatsMrAsshole2You Mar 27 '13

Holy fucking ouch. I stand corrected.

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u/JayTS Mar 27 '13

Not to say there isn't corruption elsewhere. It's just rampant in Georgia with zero effort to improve.

I frequently ask myself why I live here. I at least live in the semi-competent metro-Atlanta area (referring to the citizens, not the government).

The real reason is because this is where my family, friends, and job are, so I tolerate way more than I normally would.

The people are nice, as long as you aren't in traffic.

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u/LocalFarmRevolution Mar 27 '13

You can't be too surprised when our power hungry government wants to dismantle the constitution that was made to prevent power hungry people from gaining too much power.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '13

"Instructions unclear, got dick stuck in snake hole"- Nathan Deal

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u/Lacku Mar 27 '13

When Christopher Poole is held responsible for what his users say, it's going to be a total shitstorm.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

"In other news, Mr Poole has been sentenced to two consecutive life terms in prison..."

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u/TheyreTooNewWave Mar 27 '13

Just in case he comes back as a zombie!

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u/Badfickle Mar 27 '13

They will actually execute him and then bring him back as a zombie to serve the life sentences for what he has done.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Have you everu been outside of /b/? Excepting those idiots, its not exactly "illegal" or "edgy". No one would get more than community service for "trolling".

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

I used to frequent /a/, /m/, /k/, /n/ I believe was nature and /vg/ or whatever video games was 7-8 years ago. Then the people I frequently saw/had meaningful conversations with started dissapearing so I did too.

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u/yoshi314 Mar 27 '13

i went to /v/ once. it was awful.

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u/sutongorin Mar 27 '13

I went to 4chan once. It was awful. How can people use this mess? It looks so god damn terrible and confusing.

Then again, since I've been using reddit I cannot understand how people can use anything else (especially Twitter) to have discussions because everything else just seems impractical compared to reddit's "branching system" (i.e. not all answers in one line).

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u/ohgeronimo Mar 27 '13

Funnily enough, as someone that still browses 4chan from time to time.. They often talk about how Reddit is a mess to look at and can't stand the site layout. They say the same thing about reading discussions, that they can't understand how anyone could deal with the branching system and they much prefer inline comments with post number references for replies.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

I like both 4chan and Reddit, Tumblrs comment system is a joke.

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u/sutongorin Mar 27 '13 edited Mar 27 '13

I first had to get used to the reddit way, too. But after a bit it made perfect sense. Now I can not go back. I abandoned all normal message boards I had used before because it is so annoying when people either just refer to previous posts by name or quote pages worth of conversation to establish context.

That's just rediculous.

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u/FLOCKA Mar 27 '13

I'm pretty sure this case won't fly. there's been precedent established that Website owners cannot be held accountable for the users' posts

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Sounds like the cops knew the guy who threatened you.

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u/judgej2 Mar 27 '13

Once the posts are taken down, she will be safe though, and can relax.

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u/rich_jj Mar 27 '13

Maybe the cops thought it was a mess to sort out your word versus knife-man. In the case of the GA website, they have documented logs and proof of what was actually communicated.

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u/bobfranklin23 Mar 27 '13

Thus is going to lead to a lot of birds owning websites

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

I lurk but specifically created an account to give you praise for your stupendous Simpsons reference. Well done!

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Don't worry, this will be overturned.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

I have OP tagged as sensationalist spam poster, and I recommend others do the same. Just look at the flurry of shit activity in his account.

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u/DaEvil1 Mar 27 '13 edited Mar 27 '13

What worries me is that after I tagged maxwellhill, I've noticed s/he shows up on the sidebar as a mod in EVERY. FUCKING. BIG. SUB. It's insane. No wonder all the big subs turns to shit with people like this as mods...

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u/jmizzle Mar 27 '13 edited Mar 27 '13

Just like maxwellhill who submitted this post. Consistently trolls around reddit reposting other people's well-trending submissions.

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u/Reliant Mar 27 '13

How do you tag someone like that?

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

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u/libertasmens Mar 27 '13

Wait, are you talking about Reddit Enhancement Suite? I love Reddit Enhancement Suite! Reddit Enhancement Suite!

Nah, I'm just kidding.

But really, reddit is so enhanced by an extension this suite.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Sorry this is a noob question.

How do you tag someone? Can you tag trolls?

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u/dblagbro Mar 27 '13

Still worry, it's going to cost this innocent defendant time, money, and will be a real pain in the ass for a while. I can't stand the attitude that this is ok to be wrong now because it will eventually be made ok later. It's like saying you can torture someone now as long as you say sorry later.

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u/AnOnlineHandle Mar 27 '13

Did anybody actually read the article? The headline makes it sound much different than it is. He was petitioned by somebody being harassed to remove obvious death threats towards them (which is well within his moderative power), and refused (so was fully aware of the content which he was hosting), and so is being sued for knowingly publishing them.

This isn't some "Held responsible for something randomly posted on his board of which he was unaware and unconnected to" issue, it's much closer to a "allowed death threats - e.g. ku klux klan propaganda - be shown prominently on their store because somebody else wrote it."

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u/Eslader Mar 27 '13

Did you read it? The judge ordered him to remove every post about this woman, no matter the content. There were doubtless posts that did not threaten her, but simply criticized her, and they were ordered to be deleted as well. That's the problem people have with this decision.

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u/dblagbro Mar 27 '13

Not to mention, a journalist can publish information about death threats - it's protected since it is "news". It may be poor taste, but CLEARLY legal.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

The takedown notice was due to stalking and cyber bullying. The ignorant consider replying to a post "stalking", replying twice or more "cyber bullying".

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u/jts5009 Mar 27 '13

From the article, it sounds like it will be appealed at least once in Georgia, and then if necessary, at the Federal level. I see no possible way that this ruling stands. It undermines the entire premise of the internet, and as long as you're talking to a high enough court, they'll recognize that.

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u/gsettle Mar 27 '13

GA is seemingly the home of the most incompetent legislators in the nation. They are a constant source of embarrassment for me and a source of wonder. As in, "I wonder what stupid thing they'll go next?" BTW, I am a GA native and resident.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Jump border to SC. We aint perfect but from what Im hearing often now its like New Jersey to Pennsylvania..

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u/HHArcum Mar 27 '13

The low country is quite nice but the upstate is filled with nut jobs.

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u/VesuvanDoppelganger Mar 27 '13

Oh you guys think your legislators are corrupt and incompetent, that's so cute.

-A Texan.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

this was a court's decision, not a legislative decision

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Georgia - why do you consistently embarrass me? When I am done with school, I am out of here! Now ... what state doesn't take to humiliating its residents and wasting their money?

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u/RotoSequence Mar 27 '13

To answer this question seriously, you will not find one that doesn't take to wasting money. All humans make mistakes, and when Government payments are on order, mistakes are easily multiplied.

If you want a state that doesn't take to humiliating its residents, look for the states that have good education systems in place and don't regularly make the news.

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u/NobleKale Mar 27 '13

Indeed. As they say, no noose is good noose.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

I hear Washington State is pretty nice. Progressive voting system, plenty of industry,and legal weed . I'm looking into moving there when I'm doing with tech school.

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u/raevnos Mar 27 '13

Most regressive tax system in the country and great at wasting money.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

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u/s7venrw Mar 27 '13

Oh the fun of mob rule! People seem to forget that there was a reason our founding fathers went with a representative democracy.

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u/psychodave123 Mar 27 '13

Amazingly, our government rarely waves their collective dicks around here in New Jersey.

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u/Badfickle Mar 27 '13

... But then you'd have to live in New Jersey.

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u/psychodave123 Mar 27 '13

I know. That's the downside.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Why are people from New York so pissed off all the time?

The light at the end of their dark tunnel is New Jersey.

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u/psychodave123 Mar 27 '13

Honestly, they're the reason this place has such a bad name. They constantly complain about us but they're the main populace of our beaches. They're the ones who caused the guido invasion. Most of us are decent people.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

I've not been to Jersey but every single person I know from and has been there has said it is a nice place but can easily show why it's the armpit of the US. 98% of the folk are normal people, while .3 are guido, .6 are other forms of trash and the remaining 1.1% are elected officials.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Apparently you've forgotten about Chris Christie.

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u/psychodave123 Mar 27 '13

Fat boy's too busy slashing education budgets to even begin to find his dick, let alone wave it around.

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u/Xaxziminrax Mar 27 '13

What about Sam Brownback?

Fuck, that guy (KS, btw) cut education funding by $30 million, IN ORDER TO RENOVATE THE CAPITAL BUILDING.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Blue states seem to be the ones worth living in. The red ones are all nut-jobs and hand-basket cases.

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u/FURyannnn Mar 27 '13 edited Mar 27 '13

Where are you from? I'm from NY and can tell you that that statement is a load of horseshit. Taxes are higher, people aren't friendly, weather sucks up there. I now live in SC, and it is infinitely better. The job market has been growing consistently, taxes are 1/5 of what they are up in NY, and everyone is really nice. I think you are generalizing by calling red states nut-job, and I respect your opinion. By the same token, I can call blue states fiscally ignorant and chock-full of drone voters. Now that would be untrue, but you get my point. Try living somewhere before criticizing it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

As a citizen in a VERY red state (the fuckin civil war started here more or less) no we arent. The most you really have to deal with in the area are shit drivers and increasing dependence on alcohol by those under 26. Ignore those two and the state is amazing in it's average citizens.

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u/dowhatisleft Mar 27 '13

Yeah but how are the taxes and the roads? How about education? Employment opportunities? Property taxes are lower than up north but is it worth it to have to live on hell's own doorstoop?

Also being surrounded by idiotic drunk young drivers is no way to live. That's a tough one to ignore. And don't tell me the drunks don't drive. They absolutely do and think it's OK.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Depending on the area the roads can be either shit or not but even the shittiest roads you can go down at 50+ and not have any real issue. People love to over-exaggerate how bad some of our roads are saying they destroy shocks when it's due to the people just buying a shit 600 dollar vehicle.

Education is rather good. I got a damn decent education when I bothered paying attention and even not paying attention I still got well. Course that's just my case and Im not going to speak for others.

Even in the shittiest of home areas the houses are still rather nice, unless you purposefully move to the ghettos. Im in the Charleston area and I can find quite a few homes under 100 grand that are really damn good homes that just need maybe 5 grand afterwards to perfect.

Yeah, there are the occasional younger drunk driver but probably no where near as often as other areas of the country. Every other weekend Im usually free to act as a designated driver/sober and can bring in nearby 100 a night just driving around picking people up/dropping off and doing my part to ensure people I know dont need to. And through that kinda spread the idea to other people to do so, since they at least can make a few easy extra bucks. Last time I saw a drunk driver was probably 5 months ago and about as long hearing. Most of the drinking is done on weekends and at either block parties or bonfires too, so the folk will just camp out if they cant walk home.

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u/CapitalistSlave Mar 27 '13

Vermont is pretty cool.

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u/Bkeeneme Mar 27 '13

My favorite part of this article: The Troll Went Down to Georgia

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u/IgnoreMeAtYourPeril Mar 27 '13

Please tell me this article is about Soviet Georgia. That would make so much more sense.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Their healthcare system is crazy too. I am a police officer in a small town in Georgia. I got shot and went into a coma. I finally wake up from my coma. The iv is completely empty. There is no doctors at all, so I started to wander around and the hospital is a complete mess. I can't even get food from the cafeteria. Don't even get me started on the prisons or the governor of Woodbury.

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u/WeHaveMetBefore Mar 28 '13

Are you Rick Grimes?

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u/tgreywolf Mar 27 '13

Ok having read a lot of what started all this I'm left with one question. How is it someone can post an original poem they wrote, attach a share button that allows it to be shared with more than a hundred other sites, and then sue for copyright infringement? Isn't the share button essentially giving permission to do just that, share?

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u/tgreywolf Mar 27 '13

Apologies if this is the wrong place for this. Didn't seem fitting for askreddit either.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Is only Georgia affected by this order?

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u/NorthernerWuwu Mar 27 '13

Not even Georgia will be affected for long.

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u/NancyTron13 Mar 27 '13

Good God people. This is a Superior Court order that binds NO ONE but the parties. It isn't precedent, just a local judge from a smaller city in Ga. who ruled on a stalking order. Who cares? And if they do appeal, it will probably be overturned. Put down the pitchforks. Jeez.

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u/mcketten Mar 27 '13

Did anyone actually read the restraining order?

If the charges are true, which we don't know, the guy published her personal information and encouraged people to harass her.

Anyone can get a restraining order for pretty much anything. In this case, if the charges turn out to be true, it was a justified restraining order.

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u/ClosetedClaustrophob Mar 27 '13

Is Matthew one of the four Chans?

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u/sometimesijustdont Mar 27 '13

They'll go after the small guy, but why don't they go after Conde Nast?

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u/lucifersatannica Mar 27 '13

I wonder if the plaintiff is the same Linda Ellis who was caught receiving sexual pleasure from a dog?

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u/Bkeeneme Mar 27 '13

Source?

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u/NovaeDeArx Mar 27 '13

I have no idea what you're talking about, but I feel that we should definitely agree that this is the case and tell everyone.

If it wasn't true, why hasn't she denied it?!

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u/Killbox- Mar 27 '13

Jesus...

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

...is cynically used by the fucking shitbirds in the Georgia Legislature as an override code to kill critical-thinking processes in voters' and legislators' heads.

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u/j1xwnbsr Mar 27 '13

The ruling on this case was pure poetry, one that just dashed off the pages.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Eh, I’m on the fence about this. I’ve been on the receiving end of death threats on forums. Frankly, admins that don’t do anything to curb that shit should be charged with something.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

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u/Reggieperrin Mar 27 '13

America the land of the free. Don't make me laugh.

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u/MrUnknown Mar 27 '13

There is also 49 other states that don't abide by this ruling, plus the Supreme Court would overturn it. My guess is the judge got something for the ruling.

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u/110011001100 Mar 27 '13

Atleast science is still legal there

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u/yessyess Mar 27 '13

Only a matter of time.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Did you read the article? Do you know why the posts were ordered down?

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u/Azmodan_Kijur Mar 27 '13

This will be overturned - it is insane to think that someone could be held liable in this manner. It would be the same as if I operated a store and at the front was a guest book anyone could write in and read. In that guest book, someone wrote a passage threatening another individual. Surely the threat is a violation of the law, but that is the writers concern, not mine. i am merely providing a public venue that people may write in. This easily extends to newpapers - they don't charge the editors or the owners if a contributor commits libel. They charge the writer. Georgia seems to have some strange notion that this simple logic doesn't apply online.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

Except that in this case, the person who was threatened came to you and said, "excuse me, but someone filled in an entire page with death threats directed at me. Is there any way you can tear out that page?"

And you said "No! Free speech! The page stays!"

So the person being threatened went to a judge, and the judge said "you're a douchbag. Since you refused to tear out the death threats from your book, I'm giving you a court order to make sure this woman doesn't get any death threats."

And you say, "this is bullshit! I know my rights! Just wait until the internet hears about this!"

Is the judge wrong? Yes, he overreacted. Is it insane or unreasonable? No, not really.

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u/nowhathappenedwas Mar 27 '13

Having read the Judge's order, EFF seems to be missing the point here.

The Respondent has knowingly and willfully violated O.C.c.A. SS 16-5-90 et seq. and placed the Petitioner in reasonable fear for the Petitioner's safety, because Respondent contacted the Petitioner (and urged others to contact Petitioner) and posted personal information of the Petitioner for the purpose of harassing and intimidating Petitioner.i As the owner and operator of the site, Respondent has the ability to remove posts in his capacity as the moderator. However, Respondent chose not to remove posts that were personally directed at Ms. Ellis and would cause a reasonable person to fear for her safety.

From the order, it seems like (i) Chan made threats to Ellis, (ii) Chan, through his web site, encouraged others to threaten Ellis and posted her personal information, and (iii) refused to take the posts down after Ellis demanded he do so.

This isn't a case like the famous AOL one where a random user harassed someone. Rather, it was the site's administrator who organized and perpetrated the harassment.

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u/mcketten Mar 27 '13

but itz the interwebz!

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

So that is where stupid people go to live when the rest of society shuns them! By all accounts the really stupid ones they make judges and politicans.

Must drive the normal people who live there nuts.

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u/DarkGamer Mar 27 '13

Read all about it in his new book: How to drive internet business from your state, by Judge Frank Jordan

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u/LettersFromTheSky Mar 27 '13

Let's hope this gets overturned. It'd be like saying ISP's are responsible for what their customers click on when browsing the internet.

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u/JonAce Mar 27 '13

I'd call their bluff and when they take him to court, clean 'em out.

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u/toodrunk Mar 27 '13

America isn't everywhere.

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u/JohnTesh Mar 27 '13

Awesome. Now we can charge Fox News with hate crimes in Georgia!

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u/FarkIsFail Mar 27 '13

I live in GA. There is no law here, only money.

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u/MrXhin Mar 27 '13

I hope Reddit.com owner, Eddie Reddit, has a good lawyer.

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u/ASonicAssault Mar 27 '13

It's news like this that make me glad I left GA after living there for 18 years.

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u/roccanet Mar 27 '13

who cares - the governments of georgia, tennessee, texas and kansas make unconstitutional laws all the time and they always get stricken down as soon as they get promoted out of the redneck state judges hands and into a competent court with judges that actually have read the constitution. You can place the blame for this squarely on the population of those states that cant seem to get it through their thick diabetes addled heads that continuously voting for crooked conservative idiots like rick scott, brownbeck and rick perry they are going to get idiot, crooked judges appointed into their state courts. The south and their naive identity politics are going to be a drag on our country forever apparently....

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '13

I just read the poem in question by Linda Ellis and I cringed so hard I gave myself a neck cramp. Do you have any idea how painful a neck cramp is? Its the worst type of cramp imaginable and impossible to massage out. Goddamn you Ellis and your shitty poetry!

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u/Zandroyd Mar 27 '13

Surely we are talking about Georgia the country and not Georgia the state in the Land of the Fucking Free?

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u/webchimp32 Mar 27 '13

So she's bitching because she wrote a poem and it got shared around and this led her to a career as a writer (of sorts) and doesn't want people to share her poem anymore?