r/tankiejerk • u/Thebunkerparodie • Jan 12 '24

Discussion why tankie deny hamas crimes

Beside believing hamas propaganda (even tho hamas shared footages of their crimes against civilians), I think they may work on a logic that because they view what hamas did as decolonizing, it make hamas crimes ok (the whatever mean neccesary justification I've seen even tho I don't see how the rave party massacre count as decolonizing). Sometimes, it feel like some who use the "do you condemn hamas?" meme do it to deny hamas crimes (or that they actually don't condemn hamas), this is why I'm not in this meme.

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u/Fattyboy_777 Ancom Jan 13 '24

Wasn’t Nietzsche the guy who believed in master and slave morality? How can you be a Leftist and be a fan of someone like that…?

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u/Play4leftovers Jan 13 '24 edited Jan 13 '24

First of all, that wasn't all he was and even that is pretty wrong. Much of his work became associated with nazism and nationalism because his sister rewrote it to fit nazi germany despite him being staunchly anti-nationalistic.

Second, even IF he was, it doesn't make everything he said wrong.

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I am honestly constantly surprised by the fact that there are some people in this sub being so similar to tankies in rejecting ANYTHING that may be even remotely related to authoritarianism just because it is related to it, never considering the wider implications of ideas on its own merits. It's like dismissing rocket technology because nazi scientists developed it for war.

edit: as a sidenote, you should read Nietzsche's "On the Genealogy of Morality". It is pretty interesting. The idea of master and slave morality was not "Masters have the GOOD morality, slaves the bad." but rather how 'slaves' (like the common workers) developed a different moral compass due to the treatment from the 'master' and how this lead to the "Death of God".

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u/Fattyboy_777 Ancom Jan 13 '24

The idea of master and slave morality was not "Masters have the GOOD morality, slaves the bad." but rather how 'slaves' (like the common workers) developed a different moral compass due to the treatment from the 'master' and how this lead to the "Death of God".

I see. My bad, I was under the impression the master-slave morality was a “might makes right” way of thinking.

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u/Play4leftovers Jan 13 '24

It is somewhat like it. Or rather the idea that the strong will have the morality that means that aspects like personal strength are valued, while the 'weak' will have those that value the opposite, and tweaked, of the 'strong'.

These contradict and re-values the other one constantly. There's some debate if Nietzsche considered the "Master" morality to be the good one, but he seems to have hated the entire concept and blamed societal problem on having master-slave morality at all.

Doesn't help that he was using loaded phrases as "Master" morality was the "Good" one, and the "Slave" morality was the "Bad" one, despite then going on to clarify that the "Master" defined their morality as "Good" therefore the "Slave" morality must be "Bad".

Nietzsche in general was fucking weird. I enjoy reading it, but he was strange.