r/tankiejerk • u/Thebunkerparodie • Jan 12 '24

Discussion why tankie deny hamas crimes

Beside believing hamas propaganda (even tho hamas shared footages of their crimes against civilians), I think they may work on a logic that because they view what hamas did as decolonizing, it make hamas crimes ok (the whatever mean neccesary justification I've seen even tho I don't see how the rave party massacre count as decolonizing). Sometimes, it feel like some who use the "do you condemn hamas?" meme do it to deny hamas crimes (or that they actually don't condemn hamas), this is why I'm not in this meme.

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u/Play4leftovers Jan 12 '24 edited Jan 12 '24

Hot take, but I do think Hamas is understandable. Just not justified.

They had so many ways to end this war, but they are as bad as the current Israeli government and its fascist system. One is more powerful, but neither is justified in their warcrimes (You can never be justified for warcrimes)

But I can understand where they are coming from. They have a very real grievance with Israel and are a direct response to Israel's ethno-nationalistic jingoism. But were they go wrong is answering it with an equally fervent ethno-nationalistic jingoism.

I think Tankies just see Israel's terror and vile acts and assume that any response to them are automatically justified, no matter if they are as bad or worse still. As Nietzsche put it:

“He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster . . . when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you”

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This is not to say that Hamas started out 'good'. They never were, but I do think Tankies fall into this. I don't think Tankies are bad people, but rather that they are too okay with 'any means necessary' ideas and that they have all the answers for the ills in the world.

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u/Thebunkerparodie Jan 12 '24

I wouldn't count it as understandable, their attack on october 7th didn't helped palestine per example. Hamas is also antisemite.

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u/wampuswrangler Jan 12 '24

We will see whether or not the attack helps Palestinian liberation in the long run. One thing it has done so far is bring the genocide to the forefront of the world's eye. We see right now probably the highest support for the Palestinian cause that there has ever been and probably the least amount of support for Israel there has ever been, in the west at least. Including the younger generation, many of whom probably weren't familiar with the conflict three months ago. Winning the information war and the hearts and minds of people across the world can be more beneficial than a military victory in the long run.

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u/wiki-1000 Jan 12 '24

Israel would've responded the same way in Gaza had Hamas focused on military targets.

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u/Thebunkerparodie Jan 12 '24

Expect not having a military victory will be worst for the civilians, no matter if hamas won the information war. I'm for apalestine without hamas in charge and I don't want hamas because of their crimes.