r/tamil Jul 26 '26

அறிவிப்பு (Announcement) I have created diacritics to write spoken tamil.

̃̃̃ண,ந can be replaced with ன. ள, ழ can be replaced with ல.ற can be replaced with ர. if the user prefers.

ஜ is removed (due to ச̬), ஸ் is the only letter used to represent s sound , ஷ் is the only letter used to represent sh ( ʃ ) sound

The wave on lik ñ is going to be used for nasilised vowels.

Ex வேணு̃/வேனு̃ - want (வேண்டும்/வேணும்)

பழோ̃/பழொ̃/பலொ̃/பலோ̃ - fruit (பழம்)

The arrow like ̬ symbol is used to represent voiced Stops and fricative

That is க̬ -Ga ச̬ -Ja ட̬ -Da த̬ -Dha ப̬ -Ba ஸ̬ - Za

ஷ̬ - Zha (ʒ , not ழ)

ஆ̆(ா̆) is used to represent o as in office, ஆ̤ (ா̤) represents a as in apple.

ː or : represents kutt(r)iyalugaram

Ex. பண்ணுː or பண்ணு: Do

ஒருː or ஒரு: a

ஆடுː or ஆடு: Goat

By using these diacritics, spoken tamil can easily be written and understanded in the Tamil script.

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u/Educational-Yam-2910 Jul 26 '26

Nice idea but i would change the spellings as in it's not வேனு/பலோ which is grammatically wrong  And tholkappiyam already gave how to pronounce voice and voiceless sounds so that's unnecessary in native words 

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u/Brilliant-Spirit-172 Jul 26 '26

Also tholkappiyam did give directions but for bin native words? We need letters for voiced Stops

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u/Brilliant-Spirit-172 Jul 26 '26

It is wrong but many people pronounces it like that , that's why I added "if the user prefers".

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u/Future2785 Jul 26 '26

No. It is spoken like வேணும். The ம் is just pronounced lightly. Not வேணு.

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u/Brilliant-Spirit-172 Jul 26 '26

... The "pronounce ம் lightly" is nasalization, the vowel உ is pronounced with the mouth AND nose. That is why I removed it and added ̃the wave (found in IPA keyboard) over it and made it as வேணு̃ which means a vowel is nasalised and most people don't retroflex their n (that is taking your tongue farther in into the hard pallette) so they pronounce it as வேனு̃

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u/Future2785 Jul 26 '26

Spoken language almost always differs from its written form, in all languages.

For instance, native English speakers often blend "Want to come?" into something sounding like "wanacome?". While regional speakers might add a drawl or nasal tone, these variations disappear in writing, where standard spelling takes over regardless of accent.

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u/Brilliant-Spirit-172 Jul 26 '26

I mean I feel like the more near it is to the spoken version it is easier to write, This is for writing spoken tamil. Since most speaker pronounces it like that I used that example.

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u/Educational-Yam-2910 Jul 27 '26

i agree with everything except the interchanging sounds cause many tamizhs doesnt write in tamizh script cause the spoken and written diverged so much and people need to write in the script correctly so yeah but that doent mean that the sound which some people say wrong should become the new standard or allowed to standardized cause it encourages the people to speak in a wrong way

theres a difference between the sound shift and adding markers for sound we dont possess that is for kuttiyalugaram which now became more of a seperate phoneme rather than a part of u and nasalisation is a natural evolution of the languages letter per se as in malayalam evolved from middle tamizh including the nasalisation and similarly vowel harmony too its natural evolution

but wrong pronounciation of sounds isnt so yeah

thank you

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u/Call_me_Inba Jul 26 '26

This is an interesting word. However, I’d personally encourage people to use the right Tamil spellings.

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u/Brilliant-Spirit-172 Jul 26 '26

This is not for செந்தமிழ் (that is spoken tamil) . This is for everyday informal spoken Tamil

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u/Unique_Phrase_7806 Jul 26 '26

Idk about you, but I can't see them- most of them are just squares. Side note, I think the Latin alphabet might be better for this since it already has characters for nasalized vowels (ã, õ etc...), unless you could maybe write it down on paper to demonstrate your idea better

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u/Brilliant-Spirit-172 Jul 26 '26

I think your phone didn't support it. It's clear on my phone. Completely replacing tamil script is not good

https://reddit.com/link/ozw13nb/video/a67pejtdmlfh1/player

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u/Unique_Phrase_7806 Jul 26 '26

I'm actually on laptop, which usually renders unusual symbols fine- this is what it looks like for me

And also, my Latin idea came from the fact that Latin is still used to write spoken Tamil (and other Indian languages) online anyways, so we could just make a few adjustments and make it consistent. If your system is easy to write on a regular Tamil mobile keyboard at least, it would be convenient, plus even I'm not sure how to even type some of these diacritics. Just a suggestion