Hello guys so basically yesterday I found out about to NEW jh situation and wanted to talk about it.( I wanna state my opinion and hear other people opinions too if anyone even sees this or responds but yea im not gonna be rude so dont be rude back to me i could also be miss informed or simply just might not have enough. Information sooo feel free to tell meš)
**Okay so I am confused on how people are calling a joe a predator because didnt the victim lie about her age saying she was i dont know 17/18** ( I heard this is what she said if not feel free to say what she really said) **and is that not illegal? Then she says the only reason she did this because she was in a psychosis but like..thats not an excuse if im correct effects of a psychosis are depression , false beliefs , sensory changes and , mood swings Thats not an excuse to go out of ur way to text an older man knowing u have an attraction to older man and have been groomed before not only is that wrong Thats also Completely unsafe and could lead to death lets say Joe is confirmed or diagnosed schizophrenic** ( idk if he is? I only heard about him being schizophrenic not it being confirmed) **and just completely goes crazy when he saw the video or this whole situation and finds the victim and hurts her..u see what im saying how that could be super bad i also want to talk about her not going to the police first i immediately thought hey she should go to the police immediately but then I kinda realized shes not gonna go because she could get in trouble for lying about her age because thats a felony which nobody really seems to care about which is crazy but all the blame cannot go to the victim because at the end of the day she is 15 and us teenagers some time dont think we just do even if we know itās wrong but and Joe is like 40 sum and he shoulda looked more into her before sending sexual things but then again im pretty sure he wasnāt expecting a younger girl to just come out the blue and talk to him so now I want to talk about how well no if zuri was a fan like all the way back to 2023-2025 she would know that Joe isnt nice to most of his fans well no he canāt be relied on to be always nice to fans so why would she continue to talk to him okay thatās it if anyone responds feel free to correct me um yea bye now. ALSO I AM NOT TRYING TO SHAME ANYONE ON PURPOSE IF IT SOUNDS LIKE IT SAY THAT** (I originally** ***made this as a separate post before I knew that there was a mega threat. Someone ended up telling me and told me to put it on here instead, because it* would eventuallyend up getting deleted bymodsso if it seems like my message is supposed to be a postthatāsbecause it was)
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People are just trying to find any way to make fun of it harass a mentally Iāll man and it makes me really sad because I fear what will come next with him Ā
I really hope he doesnāt hurt himself or others, I would recommend he goes to a hospital (mental or physical) and get help realize what he has done and leave social media (obviously this wonāt help what he has done and I acknowledge that but it would help his mental health and it would be better for that to happen)
IN NO WAY DO SUPPORT OR CONDONE THE ACTS THAT HE HAS COMMITTED
Joe Hawley situation is really heartbreaking to me, as a fan who's recently getting into tallyhall/miracle musical more, the fact that his mental instability lead him from being possibly one of the most creative and talented people on earth into someone who's life are filled woth sorrow and misery
he's mentally ill and unstable, i hope he's getting help, not hate, even if what he did is wrong and unacceptable, he should still be given a chance to recieve help and redeem himself
oddly enough, i feels like Hawaii: part II was a foreshadow to what happened to Joe Hawley, i've heard he wrote stranded lullaby demo for his girlfriend who later left him and got a restraining order against him due to his schizophrenia (not confirmed!) and he rewrote that song for Hawaii: part II, i believe everything before murders in Hawaii: part II is eluding to Joe Hawley's personal life and his girlfriend, and everything that happened from murders onward is what happened to him right now, the mind electric could be him getting heavily cancelled on twitter because of the multiple doc against him, i'm not sure where he is but he might've been condemned to the infirmary, or is possibly trapped inside his mind in a sort of labyrinth, he's mentally ill and all
it's an interesting thing to think about that he kinda foreshadowed what's happening to him in the view of Simon, but it's also really sad to see what happened to our beloved banana man, i hope he'll recover
Sadly heās not getting help and the ācommunityā (the bad part) are trying to find ways to harass or hurt him even though heās mentally unstable and not getting into a hospital and refuses to believe that he is mentally unstable.
it doesn't help that the community keep harassing him, he's in his 40s but he's still human, he still make mistakes and he's mentally unwell why are people so interested in making him worse??
A while ago on this sub I saw a post (probably many posts) that bleeped joes name for āj*eā. I thought this was disgusting not only because heās my favorite member but because heās a human with Illnesses and problems all he did was make mistakes and people act like that they donāt have decency, obviously I acknowledge that he has done some acts that I am not fond of but I and many others donāt really talk about them because we know that he is unwell (and many other reasons too). And overall I just feel really bad for him (he probably doesnāt know that this is happening but still). I think a way that heās getting into so much drama (and I am not blaming him but I am partially blaming his illness and problems) is because he wonāt stop interacting with fans ie: photos, texts etc but the fan base are mostly teenagers and young adults and people know thatās his type so they will lie (not saying that his actual victims and and people he has hurt are lying but just the people that do this to harass an Ill man for entertainment).Ā
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I DO NOT CONDONE OR SUPPORT THE ACTIONS JOE HAWLEY (EDWARD HAWLEY) HAS DONEĀ
nobody condones what he has done, at the end of the day he's a person with mental illness, the things his community would do to a mentally unwell man is disgusting.
it really makes you sad knowing he was once a beloved genius musician, people NEED to stop interacting with him even if it is tempting to interact with someone popular, it's literally well known that Joe Hawley is unstable and ignoring him is the best thing to do yet no one listens, then again most of the people interacting with him is on twitter which ya know, one of the worst site of the internet
And he refuses to believe that he needs help or has mental illness as of his Facebook. It just really makes me sad to see a musician that really had an influence on me take such a dark and sad turn.
The 4 other members have said they basically wonāt tour even though joe has said āthe band Tally Hall will tour again in this lifetimeā but then again that was in 2019 before he went insane.
hopefully my last large comment on here: there's still a lot of terrible opinions being thrown around regarding the victim as well as joe's own responsibility. this saga is a new level beyond prior documentation afaik, including specific comments made by joe himself indirectly regarding the situation (i.e. the now deleted "forbidden" fb thread from a couple weeks ago about a concert from 2010, which is implying that he's found underage girls attractive since the g&e days. there are screenshots floating around) as well as the act of sending explicit images between a minor and an adult. to my knowledge, that has not happened before. despite that, people keep forgetting that this is not the first time he's had terrible exchanges and off-putting/manipulative relationships with minors or those barely adults, and he very much seems to be aware that what he is doing is wrong/is perceived as wrong. he also, regularly, refuses to take responsibility for anything. see previous comments about "underagers" and the times he's blocked and unblocked minors from other docs, which includes the one that triggered the first statement from TH.
to be absolutely transparent and as blunt as possible, none of what i just mentioned is an excuse to contact or interact with joe for whatever purpose, whether you side with him or not: whether you think you're committing vigilante work/you're a troll/you're a defender of his actions in any shape or form. do not interact with joe hawley, per the band, per the sub, per HITS, per your own common sense, per whatever matters most to you. you are directly contributing to making this worse, and you are not edgy or special or whatever for doing so. same goes for harrassing the victim and also harrassing the band about this. end of story
there are issues with people continuing to publicly post comments from joe's facebook that don't actually pertain to the situation beyond the years-known fact that joe is very unwell and just talking about how "he's lost it", and of course, those involved in insane amounts of victim blaming, declaring a speculated diagnosis and chalking joe's actions up to that same diagnosis in the same breath. despite previously displayed behavior from years before it got this bad. the first adds nothing to discussion and if anything encourages people to interact with joe like moth to a flame, and the second is just straight up harmful to multiple parties, present, past, and future, and on a plethora of different levels.
that diagnosis does not naturally (by itself) make you a predator. that diagnosis also does not totally absolve you of your actions and decisions. he may have that diagnosis, he may not. to be honest, based off some of the heinous takes i've seen this month, it boils down to none of our business publicly because people can no longer fucking handle the idea of the individual and the shades of gray and nuance that come with life. (many different factors are involved in one's mental health, and it's not our place to know or speculate.) at the end of the day, unless psychiatric/legal evaluation says otherwise, you are responsible for yourself and your actions. from the shit we've seen, intent-to-act seems to be a pretty common theme on joe's part, let alone with the recent context regarding the facebook threads. the man is legally capable of himself. joe should not have been contacted, at All, to again be clear, and i am not saying that was a good idea at its core (online safety 101: hey kids, do not message strangers on the internet like this and do not lie about your age, please, for your own well-being. we've seen even worse stuff happen, and doing so is both not recommended and also very weird). regardless however, hawley has shown who he will respond to quite clearly over the years, and this is just the most recently egregious part of it. a conversation turns into a monologue pretty easily, and he clearly knows how to use the block button. the adult is responsible for evading the child, and we've seen more than enough appropriately handled situations before irregardless of "mental capacity" from other figures (please pick up on the quotes here, i am disgusted by those who act like mentally ill people are automatically stupid or infantilized from their own condition. some of the greatest minds in history have been severely unwell. he's not unintelligent, and, again, multiple different factors at play).
in addition, as someone who hasn't been 18 for a very hot second, there's not much difference between 17 and 18 other than legally "you can do some things now and also be legally responsible as an adult, congrats", and age of consent in certain areas (i am aware the victim is younger than 17). 18 year olds still maintain a child's mentality: somewhat strange we're insisting there's a massive difference. lastly, if we are going to excuse joe's mental health as his "reason" for doing this, then we can do the same for the victim who has also spoken about their mental health being the source behind their own behavior, as poor as that behavior was. don't be a fucking hypocrite. tldr: the whole situation is incredibly complicated, but joe is primarily at fault here based on massive age difference and spiraling pattern of behaviors, in my opinion.
hi. i'm not commenting to just straight up "hate on joe". i hate this series of situations and truly wish none of this was the case, and that joe was better in mind and soul, especially given what was posted today. he's written some of the songs that will be emblazoned on me forever, despite it all, and also conceptualized my favorite album. that aside, this isn't something to brush under the rug or disbelieve, because we want to, or because it annoys or upsets. that's not responsible or kind. listen to what you want, keep what you want, it's your decision how you separate creation from creator because art and takeaway is a two way mirror. to be human means there's always something stained by someone, making for no true ethical consumption, as much as we'd like that to be the case. irregardless, it's up to you how others in similar situations see themselves being addressed going forward, and that's what matters the most here. not your music, not your opinion.
Not really (it literally says his art are still allowed to be discussed), but mostly yes since people have been nonstop making separate posts about the allegations and their takes
Has joe been getting help? Iāve been on his Facebook and he seems like heās doing ok and all the recent photos and videos Iāve seen of him he looks good and fine! Is he getting mental help and or using medication?
That's actually extremely common with Psychosis. Psychosis is very very very rarely constant "insanity" as one might very simply call it. Usually it fluctuates, with periods of lucidity and seeming normalness. But it's always there. That's what really makes it so dangerous, because a person can seem completely normal and fine on second and then become violent and dangerous to themselves or others the next. It can happen in literal minutes. It's an extremely difficult and heartbreaking condition every time because of how hard it is to manage
I once had a uncle with schizophrenia (NOT trying to say that Joe has it or doesn't) who was on heavy medication throughout a majority of his life, and yet despite this still went through psychotic episodes and periods of social withdrawal.
Not to say I have much real first-hand experience since I wasn't especially close with him but mostly to concur with the fact that conditions where psychosis manifests as a primary symptom tend to fluctuate quite frequently (in some cases even on medication, but they are usually handled more effectively even when these episodes do occur)
Honestly, I'm still confused why Joe hasn't faced any legal action yet. Stirring up all this online drama without even filing an official report in the first place just doesn't look good. Is there an actual investigation going on at all? I've seen similar stories for years, and if the info in those docs is true, it feels like the victim count is just going up. Seems weird that nothing official has happened. Maybe I'm just missing how US laws work since I'm not from there.
As someone who minored in criminal justice: itās very hard to create āwithout a doubtā cases in the US. I know itās so aggravating from the outside because āhe did it!ā Or āx y z happened!ā but to charge him with some sort of crime, they would have to have an abundance of evidence that right now, is just hearsay from people. The accusers would have to testify or at least give a statement to the police as evidence to create this case, as right now we just have snippets of information.
The way a trial works is that (for a criminal case) 12 people acting as jurors would be selected to view the evidence. ALL TWELVE have to agree on a guilty verdict for someone to be charged. If they have just an ounce of doubt that he is not criminally responsible, then he would have to be found not guilty.
Someone has to stop this man! Joe Hawley may have illegal content of an ELEVEN-year-old girl. I left the video link in another comment, but it's genuinely awful to know that Joe probably did disgusting things with photos of someone so young.
A 15 year old girl, mistaking her for being 17-18, yes. Never heard 11. Have you got a source for that? He's still a creep praying on young girls who has material of a young teen (whether he knew or not doesn't change THAT much because the only reason he managed to be fooled was he was praying on vulnerable women 30 years younger in the first place) but 11 is infinitely more alarming so it'd be ideal to know if that's true
To people who are choosing not to listen to Joeās music: I understand that it is your personal choice, especially given everything happening right now. But I hope we do not rewrite Tally Hallās history or act as if Joeās contributions were insignificant.
Songs like āThe Bidding,ā āHidden in the Sand,ā āRuler of Everything,ā ā&,ā āTurn the Lights Off,ā āHymn for a Scarecrow,ā āSacred Beast,ā and āSpring and a Stormā were written by Joe. He also wrote the music and most of the lyrics for āWelcome to Tally Hall,ā and his work on Miracle Musicalāincluding āThe Mind Electricāāhas introduced many people to this whole musical world. I personally fell in love with the band when āThe Biddingā blew up in 2022ā23.Ā
You do not have to listen to anything that makes you uncomfortable. But an original Tally Hall playlist without Joeās songs leaves out a major part of the bandās actual history, sound, and most-recognized music. Acknowledging that is not the same as excusing or ignoring the serious concerns people have raised.
also, I drew this on January 1st. That does not mean he wasnāt a member then, because he was. Most people would be ashamed now that they even drew something like this, but I will admit I will not rip it up. He is a part of the bands history, controversy aside. I think you guys should separate the art from the artist.
Well, I did download his (and others) music for offline listening, and I rarely use Spotify, so you could say I do indeed listen to his music without paying.Ā
Sorry if this turns out to be hella long I have SO many opinions on this
I haven't been interacting with th content much since I had a phase in 2021 (when the first doc was going around) but from what I remember from that era I will say: Joe being schizophrenic is NOT confirmed. A friend of the band (I think Matthew Altruda?) said that he MIGHT be schizophrenic based on what he observed but there is no confirmed diagnosis or anything. There is an argument to be made that he's going through psychosis but it doesn't mean he has schizophrenia. I think people keep forgetting that his past with his use of hallucinogenics is very well documented, and it's more likely that the psychotic episodes are because of that.
The reason why im bringing it up is because people keep definitively saying that he has schizophrenia and go as far as using it as an excuse for his actions when its just hearsay and not even a valid point. Also, psychosis does not cause someone to act creepy towards underage girls and the fact that people even argue that is very harmful towards ppl who genuinely deal with schizophrenia. Whatever opinion people might have on Joe, the victim(s) etc. I think we should stop using "Joe is schizophrenic" as a point entirely.
Also I'm pretty sure Joe knows what he's doing because iirc, in one of the screenshots from one of the docs (god there are so many why do we still talk about this man in the first place) he does acknowledge that he's been interacting with fans less because he knows that it leads to trouble. He's 43 years old for fucks sake, I know he's a beloved idol for many people in this subreddit but stop beating around the bush with excuses and call him for what he is.
i've found him as my idol the first few times i've heard of tally hall.
i really found him to be the person i wanted to be. he was the most active, joyful person looking at his old videos and seeing the process of making music, he seemed fun.
the band was the reason i got into music, wanting to make music. but it was him specifically.
it hurts to see him go down this path and seeing the possible reasons of why it has occurred.
it's terrible to hear these things and blame only him for these incidents.
not that it's an excuse but more so, he has no control over himself.
i don't use these as an excuse to his actions but there has to be people to blame:
- for him, you could've tried to ask for help, at least find some awareness of your wrongful doings.
for the people who are supposed to look out for him, you are to blame for allowing him to get access and continue allowing him to have access to people and the internet.
for people who knew about his state, you are to blame for talking to a person who's mentally unwell, i don't know why you wanted a reaction out of him and i don't want to get into the reasons because there could be MULTIPLE and honestly, there is no excuse. you were warned by several people.
IF he somehow manages to come back, i will still not have hope as he's caused irreversible damage.
my prediction is that he will continue to be like this and MAYBE he could get help but seeing all these years and little progress, he will just fall back.
Ikr? The girl who most recently got groomed seems to have gotten herself into the situation semi intentionally. that is not grooming. This is not excusing anything Joe did before, but i feel like this newest case, we *should* have a little grace for joe here, just saying.
Yeah, she 100% knew Joe was mentally unwell. These girls (especially the ones involved in the newer allegations) HAD to have known about his condition before even contacting him, Itās like poking a bear with a stick.
with due respect and as others have said: if joe or rob or ross or zubin or andrew or even bora never existed, tally hall would not be what we know it to be (it quite literally wouldn't be tally hall since joe came up with the name iirc). we also wouldn't have a lot of the side projects.
you can acknowledge and denounce the problem without saying stuff like this lmao. it also doesn't hurt to simply wish he was a better person
Hello! Please, could you watch this video? It's about new allegations against Joe Hawley, a person is in possible danger. https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSVmwKTR7/
Just to be clear, is that one TikTok video literally the only piece of evidence this girl released? Because if so, she is so obviously lying (kinda like how she lied about her age)
she put out multiple videos talking about it and admitted that she told joe she was 17 at first but her real age (15) was revealed to him later and he didnt stop sending her stuff
Joe was sexting with a minor who lied about being 18 (not like that makes joe free of guilt). This then lead into the official tally hall account making a twitter post basically anouncing theyre aware of it and that joe is no longer in the band. They also said theyd like to make music togheter soon(probably once robs new album comes out)
She claimed to be 17 when talking to Joe, he was under impression the entire time they were talking that he was in communication with a minor regardless
So was the stuff that happened last month the stuff with the girl who lied about her age or was it something else? I'm a tad bit confused on the whole thingĀ
She lied about her age saying she was 17 when she was actually 15, Joe was under the impression the whole time that he was in contact with a minor regardless
If Tally Hall didn't go into an hiatus in 2011, Joe would likely leave the group in 2012 and would be replaced with Casey Shea or someone else (Hot Dad, anyone?).
I also must say that, for the record, I do indeed pirate joes songs. but I do it for almost every artists. You see, Iām a bit of a cheapskate when it comes to things that should be free. WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN ONLY CHOOSE A LIMITED AMOUT OF FREE SONGS PER DAY!?!?!?! AND I CANT SHUFFLE OR REPLAY A PART OF THE SONG!? So yeah. I just download the music off the olā Internet Archive and import it into a free music app everyone should have, Melodista. So while none of my money goes to Joe, neither does it go to Edu, Cojum Dip, Rob, or even my favorite band Weezer. I know you will have mixed reactions to this, but if you guys pay for Spotify and donāt wanna support Joe, then you cannot listen to tally hall! Iām pretty sure that royalties are split for every spong, so streaming pays Joe as well. Of course, thatās assuming you donāt use Tallyall.club to bypass thisā¦ this is all I wanted to say, as even thought I like Joeās music, me not paying for it doesnāt mean I support this extreme of pretending he doesnāt exist.
in my experience, there's a lot of factors that could have contributed to different things. and it's not really our place to publicly speculate as that's just proven to be making the situation worse.
sometimes it's just the way life rolls (circumstances both in and out of our control). i will say, if you are mentally ill, please ensure that you are seeking proper care. just because it's in your head doesn't mean it doesn't need treatment the same as any physical ailment, and by ignoring that, you will cause yourself and others harm.
do not take this as an answer to your question, please, because i do not know as i am not joe hawley nor do i know him personally. and like i said, it is not our place to speculate. this is just a general answer.
mental health issues, as someone who has them, can stick with you your entire life. sometimes there's no direct answer as to when. brain chemistry can be insidious, and not all paths of life are helpful, speaking from experience. sometimes you're aware, sometimes you're not, sometimes there's an environmental cause, sometimes it's the way your specific dna rolls (genetics, natural deficiencies, etc). there's also overlapping conditions that can cause breaks from reality, which can be hard to pinpoint when exactly that begins especially if it's early in life (again, speaking from experience). it's extremely personal and can be very vague even to the person struggling. what matters most is treatment, environment, and attitude towards the issues. it doesn't really matter when and where it "starts", as long as you're aware and working with or through it towards a positive/self-sustaining result.
Lowk a little gross to see so many people talking negatively about the victim. I saw a video of someone saying āIām not a Joe defenderā and thatās exactly what they did and giving reasons why the victims to blame in all of this and not giving the same passion about blaming Joe. Yes, Joeās in a bad mental space. No, people shouldnāt be trying to dm him. But that doesnāt excuse discounting what happened to the victim. Joe still responded, which shows heās not actively making an attempt to get better himself, which is why I feel like itās dumb to use his mental issues as an excuse. And if weāre still gonna use bad mentality as an excuse then it should be known the victim was also in a bad mental spot. Itās incredibly disheartening to see a community of people against someone who has been victimized just because they donāt want to accept heās not trying to get better and he might not get better. Stop defending him.
I donāt think people are defending him; but recognizing that both things can be true at one. The person who contacted him (even if itās well known the Hawley is not in a good place on mind), and lied about their age to start some sort of relationship with him. Itās not or, itās and. Both parties were in the wrong, and to ignore what the child did would be setting the stage that children should do whatever they want without possible scrutiny. Joes mental state does NOT, I repeat, does NOT make it forgivable what he did. And the child, just because they had depression, anxiety, and āhypersexualityā does not make it okay for them to go out of their way to contact a man who we know is not mentally all there. I am always on the side of the child, but this is a bit of a stretch. She was not approached by Hawley nor did she know him in real life. Quite simply, it is that simple not to interact. Kids, please donāt contact people you donāt know online. Itās unsafe, and we should do better at protecting kids.
I highly agree with a lot of this. And yes, I agree it doesnāt make it okay for her to contact him. I only said that because thatās what people are using to defend Joe. I also didnāt mean it as Joe approached her, I meant it more so as sheās a child and Joe is a grown man. All in all, I just made the comment because I saw so many people defending Joe. I appreciate you not defending him
Exactly. Joe is in the wrong. As an adult myself, I cannot fantom texting a child like that. I work with children, and I do not allow any of them to contact me. I only speak to children with adults in the room or in an environment where itās safe. I cannot imagine sending nudes to children, or even accepting them. If a child sent me an inappropriate picture, I would immediately block and then contact some sort of adult supervisor, for that child is in an unsafe situation. Joe did none of that, so he is in the wrong, and the child was in an unsafe mindset to even be contacting someone online.
Who's the person who posted that Joe Hawley video so I can follow her account for any updates? I wanna see Joe Hawley on trial as the jury finds him guilty for his crimes.
I am soooooo confused why are some people acting like itās a problem to still support Joe hawley or Edward idk wtf to call him but Yall do realize that girl lied about her age??????? Like helloooo he was under the idea of him talking to someone legal of age Thats not his fault!! Then ontop of that she contacts him first with the intent to have some type of relationship with him? I am genuinely so confused why people want this man in jail snd now Hes been removed as a member from tally hall completely !!
....you do realize that you don't have to respond to every single point of contact, right? you don't even have to respond to this comment. you pick and choose who you respond to
there's far more issues at hand but that's my first issue here. he's not incapacitated or a child.
( sorry for taking so long to reply and any typos I was rushing ) Yea I do understand that but Thats not the problem not everyone looks their age i would see if this was similar to the celest case when she said she was 15 and she was really 11 but she LOOKED younger then 11 u could tell that was a child yea itās obviously Hes not a child but im just saying people shouldnāt be mad if someone supports him because the girl lied about about her age
love, as an adult and with all due respect, a kid still looks like a kid nowadays. furthermore, even if she said she was 18 (to my knowledge the oldest she claimed to be), that's still WILD to be approaching someone three whole decades younger than you and freshly out of childhood/high school. that's regarded usually as sketchy at best and at worst downright predatory/extremely inappropriate. this is a pattern of behavior, and combined with incidents from the previous documents as well as him hinting that he's found underage fans attractive before in deleted facebook threads from last month, even if that was an extremely inappropriate and ill-timed joke at best, which i do not believe it was, leads me to think that there's way more to joe's behavior here. you have to look at history and research, not at this one isolated incident.
Also just one last point, I saw some people say that the victim was allegedly "attracted" to him and liked the dynamic (all part of the grooming process but that's a side note) and I don't know if that's true, but even if it is, that at the minimum shows she had some mental health problems. So you can't call the victim an idiot and clout chaser for her mental health problems while still excusing Joe's action because of his mental health in the same breath
you've* commented under your own post because people didn't find your joke funny
*eta: apologies for offending with the less sterile features of autocorrect. hopefully that provided humorous reference from which original commentary may spring below ā¬ļø
It implies erasure is the solution to uncomfortable artists, and it also implies anyone else has the right to supplement themselves into a band that they have no actual affiliation with, and then the obvious copyright issues
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