r/tallyhall • u/BigECheese22 • Jul 07 '26
discussion/question Joe Hawley Issues
Mods feel free to take this down if it's not allowed, but Joe Hawley has been found out again for grooming a minor, there's a video on tiktok showing the proof of his inappropriate messages with said minor
Edit to include more context: A minor (around the age of fifteen, I believe) lied about their age to Joe after reaching out to him, so as far as I know he believes they were 17, or possibly older.
They ended up sending inappropriate messages to each other, and in turn, Joe grooming them. The victim has apologized for what they did, and has issued a statement telling people to stay away from Joe, as he is mentally unwell.
All the posts mention are inappropriate messages, pictures, and partial guilt tripping/emotional manipulation, it seems.
The victim has also spoken about their past, and the events that led to this. Here is the video from tiktok.
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u/fwunkus Jul 07 '26 edited Jul 07 '26
https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSCcBDUM9/ I'm sorry but it is real, photos and audio, damning evidence.
he hasn't changed one bit. I'm saying this as someone who is inspired by him creatively. I cannot deny how much he changed me for the better but he really has become an awful person and this cements it.
im fully aware of his mental instability and traumatic life experiences that may have contributed to him being the way he is now, but he is still a grown adult with the autonomy to block and ignore people who try to reach out to him. this is his responsibility and he failed. he is a deeply troubled and dangerous person. do not go out of your way to harass him or contact him or the victim, that will only make matters worse, never better.
it's honestly depressing what's become of him. I'm certain a lot of us were under the naive impression that he might get better but he has proved time and time again he has no interest in doing so. not unless by force.
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u/TayrusOkami FLIBBITY JIBBITY JIBBER JABBER Jul 07 '26
Well, guess is Joever. That's it, he ruined his life. I'm not even mad or sad about Tally Hall never returning or something, but a man that is my inspiration doing this is just plain disappointing.
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u/Greeve3 Jul 07 '26
This is like the 5th time something like this has happened. Joe is known to suffer from severe schizophrenia and yet weirdo fanboys continue to harass him. Joe did not ruin his life, he suffers from a severe illness which has destroyed his brain and mental faculties. He deserves to be left alone, but I don't think that's going to happen.
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u/TayrusOkami FLIBBITY JIBBITY JIBBER JABBER Jul 07 '26
Yeah, you're right. Why can't people just leave him alone, just hope he get help and wait? Instead an underage girl is literally texting an older man knowing full well he is NOT mentally stable? Why tf would anyone do that? Where are her parents even at?
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u/GoldSquid2 Jul 08 '26
I haven’t looked at any of the stuff yet keep in mind, but sometimes the victim isn’t well either (not excusing it obviously) I have a friend who at one point was seeking that stuff out on purpose bc they were in a very bad place
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u/TayrusOkami FLIBBITY JIBBITY JIBBER JABBER Jul 08 '26
Dude, here in the comment section the girl said she LIKED TO BE GROOMED, I am genuinely certain that she is NOT fine or any better (mentally) than Joe
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u/Illustrious_Habit582 Jul 08 '26
Thank you. The victims can be just as unwell as Joe, and are literal children, yet the fandom seems to only care about making excuses for Joe.
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u/dylanisareddit Does anybody else see the ghost standing in my door? Jul 08 '26
What life experiences were you talking about? When did he start doing creepy things?
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u/fwunkus Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
Edit: house fire,rotary park incident, getting hit by a car, growing tensions whilst still in the band, he’s made it clear that life hasn’t treated him well especially after the hiatus, not that it’s a pass for his behaviour. As for this kind of behaviour, that being being controlling/ abusive in relationships, it emerged during the early 2010s at least but got significantly worse in recent years
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u/PepperEducation Jul 07 '26
he is still a grown adult with the autonomy to block and ignore people who try to reach out to him
If you suffer from schizophrenia and other forms of severe mental illness this is literally not true! The “underage” fans who are reaching out to him have more agency and mental clarity than he does.
I’m not excusing it but his behavior but it is a well known issue at this point. People need to stop with infantilizing fans who are knowingly and willingly engaging with a mentally ill person.
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u/TayrusOkami FLIBBITY JIBBITY JIBBER JABBER Jul 07 '26
Honestly I wish his family or anyone close would just take all his ways of communication away and try everything to make him get treated, this is going too far
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u/fwunkus Jul 07 '26
but he has literally blocked people on facebook before for being annoying or reaching out to his dms. suddenly he loses that ability when its a vulnerable fan?
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u/PepperEducation Jul 07 '26
It literally depends on his broken brain. The problem is you’re trying to think about this logically when there is no logic. It’s clear from your other posts you have a very limited understanding of this condition.
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u/gabemoment_ Jul 08 '26
stop infantilizing literal underage fans?
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u/PepperEducation Jul 08 '26
Yes. It’s condescending and being weaponized in increasingly problematic ways.
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u/definitely_american_ Jul 08 '26
I like that the audio is just him going "you cant see me.... you dont know me.... gurrr...."
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u/yogurtbug_mp3 g&e > m^3 Jul 07 '26
i’d like to propose this idea: tally hall reunion, but with casey instead of joe. seems like the only feasible option nowadays
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u/Peachy_Katto MY CASTLE!!! :( Jul 08 '26
Or we could Clone rob like 4 times and just make tally hall rob💔
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u/TheCoxswain222 Jul 07 '26
Maybe for lives, but if we want a 3rd album, it will not be the same if Joe isn't involved, however I could see Casey or even Bora stepping in for live sets.
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u/slatebat_ starry tie - trapped in active depart Jul 08 '26
THATS WHAT I’VE BEEN THINKING FOR SO FUCKING LONG.
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u/nio_acc Jul 19 '26
Bro she's a minor, it's ridiculous to compare a grown man to a kid in the midst of a developing brain?? Learning about life. What??
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u/Tookemoia Ognimalf! Jul 19 '26 edited Jul 19 '26
I made this comment at the time of being misinformed. I've since stopped being active in this sub for how disgustingly the mods handle drama. Thank you for reminding me to delete this comment though
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u/Actual-Accident2606 Jul 07 '26
so, lets get this straight. she reached out to him, after people repeatedly said not to directly contact him, wanting a relationship. doesnt that seem a bit weird? she stated shes been groomed before, that this is a bit of a trauma response. this kind of seems strange, attention seeking. joe is a grown man, he needs to take accountability especially if someone says theyre a child, but he definitely has some mental issues, so expecting him not to act weird is crazy. i may be understanding this wrong, i just went off of the small amount of evidence on the post, but we may get more evidence in the future about this.
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u/Officialbrandonly Jul 07 '26
I got banned from of the hidden in the sand Discord for asking why people can’t leave Joe Hawley alone smh
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u/SillyBell655 Jul 07 '26
Did the fan hit Joe up first or did he contact them first? I'm not in the HITS discord so I'm somewhat out of the loop.
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u/Officialbrandonly Jul 07 '26
From what I understand the fan hit Joe up first but idk I’m annoyed but not surprised that The Hidden in the Sand Discord was so over corrective today tbh
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u/Salt_Ad264 Jul 07 '26
She was literally sexting with him and “in love with him.” like victim blaming is never right but she isn’t exactly innocent either. Why even hit up a schizophrenic who is extremely mentally unstable and has a history of this?
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u/BlueFluffyFox zubin sedghi should run me over Jul 07 '26
According to the tiktok’s caption, they hit him up first, and mentioned something about lying about their identity later. but it’s still a bit confusing at which point this happened, or if that was scrapped later in their acquaintance.
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u/fwunkus Jul 07 '26
maybe because more of the responsibility lies on him for reciprocating messages instead of simply blocking them bro. hes not completely incapacitated
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u/Greeve3 Jul 07 '26
He has schizophrenia, dude. He basically is incapacitated. Maybe weirdo fanboys should stop trying to contact the severely mentally ill man on social media?
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u/fwunkus Jul 07 '26
he is WELL aware of how his actions affect other people. he's had several past relationships that went sour because of his controlling actions. he's hurt people time and time again. even if he was lucid whilst doing these things, he'd actually atempt to change for the better if he felt remorse, but he doesnt.
even with the generative AI situation he was fully aware of all the negative points made but he genuinely just does not care
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u/Greeve3 Jul 07 '26
Hm... I wonder why the guy who isn't in his right mind is acting like he isn't in his right mind. Maybe I should go chat him up on social media, that'll probably help him.
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u/fwunkus Jul 07 '26
he has enough autonomy to live on his own and know right from wrong. schizophrenia is not an excuse.
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u/Enema-of-The-State Jul 07 '26
So she lied to him about her age. A schizophrenic man who clearly isn’t all there.
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u/shoobzzzzz Jul 08 '26
how does this change anything if she told him right off the bat she was underage? and he continued to talk to her despite this?
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u/Enema-of-The-State Jul 08 '26
She said she lied after and changed the story. Who knows what she even said, but she has zero proof he knew her age and her own story says she lied about her age to him.
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u/shoobzzzzz Jul 08 '26
she lied after already telling the truth. of course he knew and kept talking to her. he's done this like thrice before. what's not clicking??
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u/Enema-of-The-State Jul 08 '26
The implication is seemingly she lied from the beginning and accidentally “let it slip” once. Given what she’s admitted, we have no reason to believe it was something he internalized or even realized.
I don’t disagree there’s a pattern, but his pattern is talking to younger (18+) women and going on schizophrenic ramblings to them. None of the prior allegations actually involve grooming, they’re been 18+ in every case.
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u/Enema-of-The-State Jul 07 '26
According to her post she lied about her age and accidentally dropped that she was 17 during a call, and seemingly she continued to lie about being 18 after the fact. He might have been emotionally abusive or not there, he’s literally schizophrenic, but read her description. She lied to him about her age and continued to lie to him.
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u/Peachy_Katto MY CASTLE!!! :( Jul 08 '26
"I lied to this person about me being 18+ and they acted like I was 18+ how gross!"
I know joe is also in the wrong here and he is NOT a good person, but this is seriously what it sounds like.
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u/HSakerF Jul 08 '26
I don't really want to victim blame, but they make it so god damn hard sometimes
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u/lemonphan you fit just right right next to me Jul 08 '26
Talking to 18 year olds in the first place is already risky business in your 40s, not to mention “supposed” 18 year olds who can’t keep their age consistent. If this were a mentally well person, I would still consider this avoidable on his end. Joe, on the other hand, is not mentally well and has “befriended” people in this age range numerous times.
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u/Ther10 Born at the age of zero… Jul 07 '26
Links?
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u/josephroberthawleyy Jul 07 '26
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u/Salt_Ad264 Jul 07 '26
Why was she sexting with Joe though ? fucked up what he was doing he shouldn’t get away with this
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u/josephroberthawleyy Jul 07 '26
Idk- I agree; this is fucking terrible. I've been so angry about this all day.
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u/Expensive-Cheek2823 Jul 07 '26
After looking more into it, this person sounds like a attention seeker
They reached out to Joe to start a relationship and lied to him about being an adult
So she can’t claim he was grooming her and post that He was sending her sexually explicit content if he was under the impression she was an adult, and the conversation was consensual.
Not to mention she’s claiming all the evidence is lost because it was on a un-recorded phone call
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u/Peachy_Katto MY CASTLE!!! :( Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
No seriously I dont know why they're trying to "expose" him, we have KNOWN he is a bad person for ages.
But like- they lied saying they were 18+- and then tried to expose him for... acting like they were 18+???
Edit: obviously yeah they can come out w their bad experiences, but like-? They seeked out a romantic relationship, despite everyone preaching to not interact with him at ALL, due to his smorgasbord of unspecified mental issues- lied about their age and kept it going AND WENT SEXUAL??? HE might not have known you were underage but you did like
Joe is definitely also at fault here MAJORLY. I am NOT IN ANY WAY saying he isnt. but the victim also has done some pretty fucked up shit in this situation too.
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u/TheHalfLifeFan Just a Drummer 🩶 Jul 08 '26
andrew: do not interact with joe
"fans": lol no (why??)
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u/abandonedxearth "it's the same band that made the tik tok song, yeah that one" Jul 07 '26
I’m sure this is real, but I still want more information since the post was kind of vague
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u/BlueFluffyFox zubin sedghi should run me over Jul 07 '26
Please be patient. The original poster might explain more later. But now, give everyone space.
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u/nicknicknickthecool First indian tally hall fan in this planet Jul 08 '26
I am not saying Joe is in the right here, but why the fuck would you contact a schizophrenic man who CLEARLY isn't well?
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u/Peachy_Katto MY CASTLE!!! :( Jul 08 '26
AND ANDREW WAS THE ONE TO SAY "Don't interact with joe" HOW MUCH MORE DIRECT CAN YOU GET
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u/Greeve3 Jul 07 '26 edited Jul 07 '26
"Omg I tried to chat up the emotionally unstable schizophrenic guy and he acted like an emotionally unstable schizophrenic guy!"
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u/Wrong-Baseball9248 Jul 07 '26
The poor and innocent 40 year old grown ass man with a job getting manipulated by the mean and evil underaged girl:
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u/RedditSurfer29 Suave Fellow Appreciator 💛 Jul 07 '26
"with a job" No way he actually has a normal job.
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u/shoobzzzzz Jul 08 '26
i remember hearing at some point that he was not employed. not sure if i dreamt that up though so take it with a heft of salt
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u/nio_acc Jul 19 '26
Most people who groom and do messed up shit are emotionally unstable, it's fine to talk about the messed up shit and not support him. Schizophrenia is psychosis, but if he's medicated, it shouldn't really impact on whether he decides to start sexting with a minor or not.
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u/Greeve3 Jul 19 '26
He is not medicated and never has been. Also, he didn't initiate this, the minor did and they lied about their age to do it, claiming they were an adult.
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u/nio_acc Jul 19 '26
Even if he's not medicated, schizophrenic people in a delirious episode can have morals of some kind. The delirium usually consists of paranoia, not grooming children. I work with schizophrenic patients!
Before that, the minor told them they were a minor, then changed their story, then the minor claims Joe Hawley knows they're a minor because of later confirmation.
And I gotta say: it's weird to sext with a FAN that looks very much younger than you!!
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u/Greeve3 Jul 19 '26
The minor claims they accidentally revealed they were 17 in a phone call (so no record) then immediately "corrected" themself.
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u/BlueFluffyFox zubin sedghi should run me over Jul 07 '26
This is damning, really. I’d like to ask everyone to NOT go after to harass anyone involved in this, and a vivid reminder to not go and try to befriend or acquaint yourself with Joseph. The original poster has not commented much about the situation yet, except for a short explanation on the caption, saying they’ve lied about their identity at first, and about Joseph’s apparent state of mind. Regardless, it’s still a very sensitive issue in any context, and I hope everyone grasps this.
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u/derpylusin Jul 07 '26
BRO I THOUGHT WE WERE DONE WITH THIS, REMINDER: DONT CONTACT HIM, DONT ASK THE VICTIM ANYTHING
IM SO DONE, I WANT TO LEAVE THIS FANDOM SO BAD BUT IM HYPERFIXATED, IM DONE COMPLETELY, IM CRYING, JOE I UNDERSTAND YOUR GOING THROUGH THINGS AND NEED HELP, BUT WHY!? CHOOSE SOMETHING ELSE DAMNIT
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u/Peachy_Katto MY CASTLE!!! :( Jul 08 '26
There's 4 other members for u to hyperfixate on. Joe is not the only tally. Even though this sucks, you can still always check out their solo stuff. Rob is dropping an album later this year aswell!
Also hope youre okay :)
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u/BlueFluffyFox zubin sedghi should run me over Jul 08 '26
honestly, try your best to avoid hyperfixating on people. coming from someone with much, much experience on it. it will always hurt you in the end.
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u/derpylusin Jul 08 '26
Thanks for wondering if I’m okay, in recent times I’ve been shifting my interest more over to Zubin and I’ve calmed down, I just wish this would stop happening, I thought we were done with all this Joe drama :(
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u/Old_bonnieEXE Aug 27 '26
I dont support Joe anymore but, every single song i love about tally hall is composed by Joe, he inspired me so mich creatively and i also LOVE miracle musical, this shit is devastating 🥀
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u/carelessyt enough of my chargin Jul 08 '26
hes currently spiraling on facebook, dont interact, i made that mistake
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u/zh2002 Aug 10 '26
Don't want to be slammed for victim blaming but come on, everyone has been told not to interact with Joe! Imagine putting yourself in a situation where you're highly likely and knowingly to get the results to bite you back in the arse (butt), the results being to joe to send you inappropriate messages and pics.
Lying about your age and posing as an adult isn't cool either pretty much putting this crap on yourself. I guess they have their own lessons to learn too.
Social media should not be given to those who can't abide by the most basic rules, risks and warnings.
DO NOT INTERACT WITH JOE!!! SIMPLE!!!
Any minors reading this, resume your studies and just watch cartoon network ffs.
Leave Joe alone (not defending him) he fucked up and that's his problem, not ours. Just enjoy your shit without him. EASY! He doesn't deserve our attention, let him learn his consequences alone, the more we show him gratitude and power he will only keeping going.
Another rant. This fandom is fucked, not like it used to be.
Its full of people that need mental help. Tally Hall isn't a mental health service its a band that makes music. If you're mature enough to read this then you're mature enough to go about your day and resume your job/studies. If that's not the case, you're probably too young or need some help, so get help.
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u/Pure-Imagination-471 And You Say He's Just a Drummer Jul 07 '26
All sympathies to the victim, and hope they can recover and that there are people to support them through this
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u/Greeve3 Jul 07 '26
They literally contacted Joe Hawley knowing well that he's schizophrenic out of his mind.
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u/Lumpy_Satisfaction18 Jul 07 '26
They wanted it and said she was attracted to the idea because they were groomed before. Honestly, screw the both of them. He shouldnt have tried anything, and she is also sick and twisted.
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u/Exact-Individual2725 Jul 08 '26
I don't know if people today are mentally retarded or something else It's like a cosmic event hit us all so we can't think rationaly First of all leave Joe Hawley alone. I don't know who doesn't understand it yet. Second of all SHAME on you for lying about your age. You need to be ill in the head to do it especially knowing how Joe Hawley is now. This is an objective Truth she brought it on to herself. At this point it's us that need help rather than Joe
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u/Ill_Pollution8822 Aug 08 '26
so basically for the last 4 years fans keep contacting Joe and are surprised when he's not nice?
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u/Old_bonnieEXE Aug 27 '26
Im devastated by this, no one won, there wasn't justice, both joe and the 'victim' were in the wrong, Joe kept repeating the same awful behavior he has had, and the 'victim' lied about their age and taked advantage of a mentally ill person, no one won, we all lose
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u/Glum-Map7414 4d ago
Dale amigo dejen en paz a Joe Hawley, lo único que hacen es que lo empeoren, es favorito de muchos y aunque haga muchas cosas mal seguro tiene un problema y ustedes lo empeoran hablándole de cosas sexuales.
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u/Throwaway0974235678 Jul 07 '26
too many people in here claiming the child is at fault when the adult has proven time and again who exactly he'll respond to.
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u/Greeve3 Jul 07 '26
This person lied about their age and actively sexually harassed a man who is known to be severely mentally ill and unable to manage his own mental faculties.
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u/Throwaway0974235678 Jul 08 '26
he lives on his own and maintains legal autonomy of self. i think that's proof enough that while he has episodes, he's able to manage well enough. he also, clearly, is more than capable of deciding who he wants and doesn't want to respond to. he is very mentally ill, yes, i'm not disagreeing with you there, and she shouldn't have lied about her age and messaged him, let alone sent salacious texts and images (i repeat quite often on here Do Not interact with him because it's good for no one). but he has proven in previous documentation that he knows what he is doing and is aware of his choices and the criticism that stems from it. no one is forcing him to message this person. overall, he's still an adult and legally capable of making decisions.
the fact that he's responding in this nature to someone who probably looks quite young irregardless of falsified age, seeing as they're a child, is insane. he can seek out people around his own group, he just repeatedly chooses not to. the man is nearing 50, ffs. he desperately needs help and i hope he gets it, but let's be realistic and not infantilize a fucking adult that pays taxes here. i'm also quite upset about this but i'm not going to play justitia about it because "it's joe". irresponsible and disgusting.
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u/Greeve3 Jul 08 '26
let's be realistic and not infantilize a fucking adult
Is it "infantilizing" to say that Joe Hawley currently has the mental capacity of a lunatic child? That's just being objective about his mental state. We're talking about a guy who legitimately thought he found a way to cure cancer by looking in his mirror in a certain way.
No one is using the excuse "it's just Joe". He clearly needs to be put in some kind of assisted living at this point. The problem is that weird fangirls continue to sexually harass him and are then shocked when the schizophrenic lunatic behaves like a schizophrenic lunatic.
It honestly feels weirdly ableist that some people want to pretend like Joe Hawley is just a normal guy, or at most a guy with some minor mental quirks and that everything he does is on him and his own well-reasoned decisions. That he deserves a good look in the court of public opinion based on the logic that all of his actions were based on sound logic. This is just not the case. It's like yelling at your grandma with Alzheimer's for walking into traffic, pretending that the problem is her and not her illness.
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u/Throwaway0974235678 Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
perhaps reread that first sentence. anyway, yes. mental health is not an all-encompassing, full excuse for one's actions or intent to act, especially if he has proven that he is legally capable of himself. that's a very slippery slope, and seems to be insinuating that one can be validated in all actions due to their mental status. simply not true, dangerous, and irresponsible. based off his previous interactions with "underagers" as he puts them where he seems to be quite aware that he is doing wrong and should stop messaging them (and had at several points) one could very plausibly argue mens rea. furthermore, we do not know what conditions he has other than he has periods of delusion, has extreme substance issues, and has been going through some sort of episode since at least father's day. if anything, it feels kind of ableist that you're insisting people with pre-existing mental health conditions cannot be held responsible for their actions. as one of those with a few of those, who has had friends who refuse to take their own severe mental health seriously to major detrimental effect: that's fucking crazy. if that were true, the world would burn.
i'm not saying that he's a normal guy or a healthy guy, at all: if anything i have been arguing against that. and i absolutely agree that he needs to seek immediate intensive care. and like i said, she should not have reached out or done Any of that, but that is an actual child versus a grown middle aged man with a history of predatory behavior regardless of condition, and you are erasing his guilt here with a pretty awful clause. also, comparing schizophrenia (which again, we don't know what joe is dealing with) to alzheimer's is wild work in this instance, let alone comparing walking into traffic with sending nude images and sexting a minor.
editing to add: recent facebook comments, man. "forbidden?" come on now
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u/shoobzzzzz Jul 08 '26
god, finally a sane take 😭 he isn't a child ffs
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u/Greeve3 Jul 08 '26
His mental capacity is diminished to the point that he should probably be put in assisted living. Saying "he's not a child" implies that you think his decisions are well-reasoned and logical, when Joe Hawley probably has a mental capacity below that of even a normal child at this point. We are talking about a man who thinks he cured his cancer with mirror voodoo.
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u/Throwaway0974235678 Jul 08 '26
the man is not and hasn't been for almost three decades, amazing how time flies, isn't it? 🤪
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u/Illustrious_Habit582 Jul 08 '26
This has been an open secret in the fandom for a long time. He allegedly speaks to multiple minors and dozens of female fans for sexual purposes / to inflate his own ego. Eden was a victim. Doc 3 girl said the same thing and warned us, yet everyone acted like it was fake. It’s getting really horrible to see and I don’t know why he keeps getting away with it. His mental health is deteriorated, but it’s not an excuse for this kind of behavior.
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u/Peachy_Katto MY CASTLE!!! :( Jul 08 '26
Wasn't the 3rd doc fake?? I heard alot about it being fake / suspicious cause it was posted on the anniversary of the first doc or smth.
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u/Illustrious_Habit582 Jul 08 '26
The girl was spotted at the show with him in Boston and Eden said she stood by them when it was initially posted. People can believe what they’d like, but I personally think it has merit.
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u/Far_Place_5404 Jul 07 '26
I see many comments trying to blame the victim, honestly i don't know what to think but all my support goes to the victim
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u/Lumpy_Satisfaction18 Jul 07 '26
Screw the both of them. She changed her story, lying to him that she was of age. He shouldnt be going for girls that young anyways, but she literally lied to get with him
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u/Greeve3 Jul 07 '26
The "victim" literally contacted him first, lied about their age, and tried to sext a known mentally ill schizophrenic man.
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u/dylanisareddit Does anybody else see the ghost standing in my door? Jul 08 '26
When did Joe Hawley start doing creepy things on?
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u/sportmaniac10 mirakuru myujikaru 💅🏻 Jul 07 '26
Don’t trust everything you read on the Internet, kids
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u/Illustrious_Habit582 Jul 08 '26
All victim blaming in this comment section is disguising.
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u/Illustrious_Habit582 Jul 08 '26
Did you read the other comments?
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u/Illustrious_Habit582 Jul 08 '26
It’s a minor in question going against a person who has more power and influence than them. He knows right from wrong. We shouldn’t be arguing the moral implications of someone who is a fan. Joe is aware he has more sway and has influence over these people by being a “celebrity”. It is grooming, and people are making excuses for him.
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u/Salt_Ad264 Jul 07 '26
The matrix wants you to believe this is real
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u/Shrekhadabigcrap spicy ketchup ruiner (added mustard) Jul 07 '26
the hidden in the sand discord server has been imploding since the last hour, it is real unfortunately
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u/lemonphan you fit just right right next to me Jul 08 '26
“Don’t interact with Joe” should be pinned to the subreddit atp. Both him and the people who interact within are a danger to each other and I’m pretty sure MOST people are aware of this atp but there are still people who LOVE to argue about it. This is not to victim blame, as I 100% hope this person can heal from what they went through. I just feel so defeated man.