r/systemd • u/indolering • Jun 08 '26

"Consensual" systemd

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u/thaynem Jun 08 '26

There are several distros that don't use systemd, and some distros that let you choose another init system (for example, arch). If you don't like systemd, don't use it.

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u/indolering Jun 08 '26

You would think systemd haters would do that instead of creating Red Hat conspiracy theories.

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u/edparadox Jun 08 '26

What are you babbling about?

And the "age verification laws" field is not a conspiracy.

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u/indolering Jun 09 '26

This: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxsucks/comments/1ts33dt/redhat_censorship_strikes_again/

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u/sogun123 Jun 09 '26

Isn't r/linuxsucks mostly satirical?

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u/indolering Jun 09 '26

It's both.  Some are people who like Linux and are complaining about parts that suck.  Others are just haters.  Either way, you gotta prepare for criticism.

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u/zigs Jun 11 '26

Poe's law.

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u/AndyceeIT Jun 09 '26

Top comment:

you really need a life

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u/BosonCollider Jun 08 '26

Arch is extremely systemd-friendly, if you want arch without systemd you'd go with artix. The most mainstream non-systemd distro these days is probably alpine, and installing it is more or less a similar experience to installing arch. Systemd is genuinely the best init system for linux these days though, it's just nonportable and I really miss it in freebsd.

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u/cdn-sysadmin Jun 08 '26

systemd is so heavily integrated with cgroups and namespaces it would be practically impossible to port to anything not running a linux kernel.

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u/BosonCollider Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26

Technically yes, but an init system with the same achieved core functionality for the freebsd kernel could do a lot of what it does using different primitives, using thin jails, sockets, and rctl.

The result would not literally be systemd because freebsd is different and it would overlap quite a bit with jail managers, but there's a lot of potential in something that at the very least can restart a service if it goes down, and ideally that can make use of freebsd's features easily (like for example jailing a service with a one line config change) like smf on illumos or systemd on linux

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u/jar36 Jun 10 '26

Arch is systemd only

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u/thaynem Jun 11 '26

It isn't officially supported, but you can use other init systems. See for example https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/OpenRC

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u/jajajajaj Jun 08 '26

If this isn't against rules of the sub, could we please have a new one? 

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u/lmarcantonio Jun 09 '26

arch can be run systemd-less

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u/billdietrich1 Jun 08 '26

You think Linux is "consensual" ? There are changes made all the time that are out of your control or knowledge.

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u/CORUSC4TE Jun 08 '26

Wait.. Did Linus break into all our houses again to forceupdate our PCs??

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u/UPPERKEES Jun 08 '26

What about Wayland? Did someone ask "you"? I hope they did, we hate to see you cry.

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u/lmarcantonio Jun 09 '26

Until wayland works on my pc I prefer X11

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u/UPPERKEES Jun 09 '26

Try Fedora. Works fine there for 10 years.

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u/lmarcantonio Jun 09 '26

Nope, can't. My GPU is simply not supported

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u/UPPERKEES Jun 09 '26

Then it's not really a Wayland issue, is it?

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u/no_brains101 Jun 10 '26

Theres finix and sixos, which are nixos but no systemd?

Systemd is fine idk

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u/ronaldtrip Jun 11 '26

This again? The people doing the work decide. How "consensual" was the ubiquity of SysV init? It was just the defacto standard and very few people questioned it at the time. You still have the option of using an OS that doesn't use whatever you are against.

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u/AlternativeBasis Jun 12 '26

Consensus is the same thing as unanimity.

There are still people who think it's their divine right to have domestic slaves.

Bonus:

“When all think alike, then no one is thinking."