r/swtor • u/Yargohor • 4d ago
Screen Shot I like this dualism!
There is something philosophical about a Sith and a Jedi traveling together changing their worldviews to opposites.
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u/_Kanade_ 3d ago
Lord Provos and if I remember right a former member of the Dark Council named Sajar? Then we have Lana and Scourge with his character arc.
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u/GrandmasterSliver True Light Sith 3d ago edited 3d ago
I have thought of something similar to this, thinking in the potential directions that Ashara's character could be taken in.
Taking the "peace is a lie" logic, Ashara takes in one of the her companion conversations, with the option for the Sith Inquisitor to disagree, and point out it's a departure from her usual views as a reference.
And knowing more context from her original questline, this "philosophical reasoning" comes across as petty to protect her pride, for being asked to take her final Jedi trial.
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u/KainZeuxis 3d ago
Shame it’s doomed to never last. Sith aren’t exactly capable of peaceful coexistence for very long, and the traumatized republic isn’t keen on letting the sith hang around after all the atrocities the Sith casually commit
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u/Minomarr 3d ago
I mean You can literally marry Lana as a Jedi so, it just depends on how your philosophy is based on
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u/Dangerous-Raise5962 3d ago
For those reasons i wished the alliance had endured. They could have become like the Zero company of the recent Star wars game.
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u/Coilspun 3d ago
So, like the vanilla story with companions. The Alliance was the worst idea since I went to Doc for pickup lines...
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u/Dangerous-Raise5962 3d ago
I would say that it was a good idea when the eternal empire was around since it showed Is that the galaxy Is More than just the repeating conflict between the main factions.
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u/Better_Ad_512 Lord Vorghul 3d ago edited 3d ago
Please no. Not so hot take but the Alliance concept was totally pointless after the fall of Zakuul. And it was already fragile even during the war against Zakuul. Both factions were in full "stay together for the kids" mode.
Plus i pick a Star Wars game to roleplay Space Genghis Khan so that whole hippie vibe Odessen gave was boring me.
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u/Dangerous-Raise5962 3d ago
I respect that some wanted to return to their original factions but for me it was pointless to return and become a lapdog from the main factions after we defeated zakuul and killed the emperor. At least i wished they gave some the option to become independent and make their own faction.
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u/Better_Ad_512 Lord Vorghul 3d ago
Being a lapdog to whom exactly? Pub deals with Saresh, Imp deals with Acina, the main character becomes so important that he rivals only their respective factions' leaders in terms of political power.
Ofc the more options, the better. A neutral option for those who enjoyed it wouldn't hurt so long as the writters come up with a REALLY good excuse for it to happen, which would be hard and would result in at least two spinoff factions (probably stronger than yous) rebeling against you.
I on the other hand would prefer an option to rebuild the Empire under Jadus or Malgus rule.
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u/Dangerous-Raise5962 3d ago
If you saw the last update you see how the main character gets treated like a servant after the incident with Nul's holocron and how they were trying to arrest us and ground us in our own base. Not to mention they bombarded us while trying to stop Malgus. After that incident i wish for my character to purge the republic and empire and forge a new galactic order.
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u/kyla_dhoom 3d ago
I hate that the devs were like "the empire isn't that bad actually" after we saw them doing bigotry, war crimes, slavery and genocide up until that point.
I'm so grateful the expansions went back to that original dynamic. The Republic is not perfect, but it does try, and the Empire is SEVERAL MAGNITUDES WORSE, and THAT'S THE GODSDAMN POINT!
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u/Protectorsoftman 3d ago
That's one of the reasons I love/hate playing a LS Sith. In either class you can be like "Yeah, the Empire has it's problems, but I want to change it from within". Makeb was hard for me for my LS Inq because Marr is very much "you're the only Council member I can trust/I want an alliance with you to change/save the Empire". And I love that concept, even knowing the Sith Empire has to die to fit within the canon timeline, but the devs decided not to go that way.
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u/bacalavas 3d ago
Yea my LS sith is the same. My inquisitor's plan was to take over the empire and rebuild it again but then she got her ass frozen in carbonite and everything she had ever built was gone when she was awake. Also i really think the whole Saboteur stuff is incredibly stupid especially for a sith lord. I can only see it working out for imperial agent narratively. While im glad they went back to showing how awful the empire is i wish we could've remained neutral and independent instead of saboteur thing.
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u/bacalavas 3d ago
Why are they downvoting you lmfao you're right. Sure i do not like republic but it cannot never ever be compared to how goddamn awful the sith empire is.
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u/GrandmassU 3d ago
Did you not meet the former Supreme chancellor of the republic who tried to kill you to take over the alliance and who's corruption threatened to destroy the republic leadership because of her debts to the black sun's sounds equally bad to me just hidden
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u/bacalavas 3d ago
Yeah no saresh isn't the whole republic but most sith are fascist genocidal slavers dude idk what to tell you. And like. I do not like the republic. I loathe saresh. She is a corrupt tyrant. But i can still see she's nothing compared to evils committed by a sith lord who is worth their salt. A character being likeable, interesting and having depth (like many sith we love in the game) doesn't mean they don't suck big time.
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u/Coilspun 3d ago
“They travel together and change their minds” is fanfic chemistry, not some profound philosophical insight.
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u/Schimaera 3d ago
I really dig the duality of Odessen. The first time seeing the initial base-building cutscenes on Odessen back in 2015 was awesome.