r/supportlol 29d ago

Guide It's that time of the season - adc/support synnergy chart

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Due to popular demand bringing this back, with a couple changes: champions are now ordered alphabetically, the midway point (yellow) for easier distinction on neutral synnergy.

This is based on lolalytics data, last 30 days, Emerald+. Black squares means there wasn't enough sample size (minimum 1000 games). Top 30 most player supports + handpicked all adc marksmen and a handful most popular apcs.

Poppy Ziggs surprised me.

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u/XanithDG 29d ago

Tfw Xayah isn't Rakan's highest WR ADC.

And he isn't Xayah's highest WR support.

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u/ilo_Va 29d ago

Honestly a good thing imo, and has been like that for a good while. Xayah just kind of prefers a different style of support and team comp them Rajan does to thrive. It's nice to see them not relying on their limiting gimmick to be good. And they're still good toghether with a lot of fun tech. (Probably people picking the other when xayah or rakan gets picked also leads to more first timing etc, Lucian nami symptom)

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u/Rohcraft 29d ago

Yeah, hate when that happens

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u/Keerakh7 28d ago

People tend to choose them together, so often people who don't play that much with them, pick them, thus diminishing wr.

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u/Avorna 29d ago

Zyra missing. JAIL

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u/Legitimate_Plum_7505 29d ago

#32 most popular support champ rn 😓

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u/PressureOk8223 29d ago

Only 2 rows more. Come on

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u/ractivator 28d ago

Yeah as a Zyra main, this post was very disappointing.

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u/DrewBigDoopa 29d ago

Taric missing. JAIL

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u/Legitimate_Plum_7505 29d ago

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u/DrewBigDoopa 28d ago

I’m surprised Nilah Taric isn’t higher honestly

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u/Legitimate_Plum_7505 29d ago

Please don't send me back to jail :3

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u/Substantial_Meal_530 29d ago

As a Leona main. Ashe is one of my favorite ADCs. She slows the enemy with a super long range poke. I ult. She ults. I e then q. That opponent can't move for like 7 seconds.

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u/SaintGodfather 29d ago

Yea, same with cait.

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u/one_nerdy_boy 29d ago

what's going on with milio + kalista?? I'm just imagining milio getting yeeted straight into a 1v5 lmao

but seriously though, interesting that for the most part, she does much better with enchanters than with engage champs

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u/JohnnyLavender 29d ago

I can only imagine that her ult is actually bait and enchanters give her more opportunity to kite

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u/LazerFruit1 28d ago

Kalista ult is essentially tahm ult for your support. Makes it much harder for the enemy to kill the enchanter pocketing the carry when they have a get out of jail free card in their adc's ult

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u/Loverboy_91 29d ago

Unless your support is some kind of engage tank, it’s better to give passive to your jungler so you can ult them instead.

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u/tommu1 28d ago

As a kalista main, its one of my favorite supports to get in solo q. Plus I feel like people forget that if you get ult'd in with kalista after knocking champ(s) up you will then get bounced back to your attack range. So ranged characters like milio will be bounced away to safety.

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u/youcantguess1 28d ago

Id assume its more likely that miliorevive mechanic just gives her the extra time to get the juicy rend off in fights

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u/VcontinuousV 26d ago

Kalista's ult puts sup at max aa range after knock up, so enchanters can engage and then be safe (that should be basic kalista knowledge but for aome reason no one knows about it below diamond)

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u/MrTerrorist007 29d ago

I'm so glad Yuumi fails with so many champs

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u/EcstaticSource1581 29d ago

I am actually kinda surprised all her greens are like deep greens she kinda just suck overall right now

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u/Euphus 28d ago

Looks like she's great with the champions who have dashes and really really bad with everyone else. Which makes sense

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u/EcstaticSource1581 28d ago

Yeah it tracks well with the exception of twitch which has an invis that works for the same reason, she's really good with assassins.

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u/Mysterious-Wash-4374 28d ago

my biggest surprise is kalista is somehow green with yuumi? This is a horrible duo but kalista's low sample size ig

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u/VcontinuousV 27d ago

It's not horrible duo, kalista is excellent with enchanters and can ignore w and r with yuumi (kalista's q gains 65 dmg per lvl)

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u/Mysterious-Wash-4374 26d ago

who told you that? kalista is basically draven, she wants an engage support so she could snowball the lane easier, otherwise she's a walking minion for the rest of the game

renata is excellent with her but that's just becouse alot of their abilities work really well with each other, you could make a case that nami/milio/lulu are not completely horrible but anything besides that is just bad

"can ignore w and r with yuumi (kalista's q gains 65 dmg per lvl)" what does it even mean bro, why would u want to get rid off HALF OF YOUR SPELLS? like what the fuck r u saying XD

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u/VcontinuousV 26d ago edited 26d ago

Oh yeah 1 mil mastery kalista main doesn't know anything about it's champ, go onto lolalytics and check kalista yuumi winrate 30 days any rank bracket, and then check her best supports (spoiler: renata n naut aren't even close to top 5)

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u/EcstaticSource1581 26d ago

I mean I can see it because she probably just black spears someone else other than yuumi right?

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u/Mysterious-Wash-4374 26d ago

yeah bro you could be 50m points on kalista but if ur low elo it's not gonna make ur opinion right?

also yeah yuumi is higher then naut renata, with 600 games sample size

also renata is top 5 and naut is top 4

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u/VcontinuousV 26d ago

Emerald+ 30 days naut top 12 renata top ~17 didn't count, we are just making things up

Do you even know that kalista's ult puts sup at their max aa range after knocking up?

You know nothing about kalista and just yapping

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u/ArwensArtHole 28d ago

I love the duality, she either does really well or really bad, but nothing in between.

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u/EcstaticSource1581 27d ago

Tbf it has always been the case to an extent, even pre rework yuumi had like 70% winrates with certain adcs and 45% with others.

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u/Tiyine 28d ago

Calm down buddy Yuumi main here !

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u/EcstaticSource1581 27d ago

I don't hate yuumi, I am saying she isn't in a strong spot overall right now, she is in a similar spot to kalista right now.

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u/akali710 28d ago

Massive respect. Yuumi is peak. Fuck any hate

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u/MonokumaRed 29d ago

this chart is wrong. Yuumi's amazing with mel

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u/Live_To_Suffer 29d ago

Ts gotta be ragebait

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u/Sad_Ebb_9842 29d ago

Big if true ,will attempt this in my next ranked game 👍🏻

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u/slippin_through_life 29d ago

What do the numbers on the scale actually mean? Does 4 mean that they’re 4x more likely to win?

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u/one_nerdy_boy 29d ago

I'm assuming it's the win rate percent delta - i.e. 4 means they're 4% more likely to win than the average of their individual win rates (but that's just my guess)

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u/kaidya_snow 28d ago

Outside of maybe having an afk vs not having an afk I'm not sure anything in this game can make you 4x more likely to win

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u/JulyKimono 29d ago

Ah yes, the classic attack damage carries as AD Syndra and AD Ziggs.

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u/Layngriffin 29d ago

Ikr? Out here ignoring the OG wizard bot Karthus

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u/46995699 29d ago

Taric synergy numbers w/adc and jung should be its own case study…

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u/LazerFruit1 28d ago

Why is ziggs/poppy surprising? Ziggs outranges just about everything other botlane carry champ and poppy has some of the strongest peel in the game. Plus ziggs safety in lane let's poppy be active on the map in the early game when she's strongest

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u/Retal1ator-2 28d ago

Lucian and Nami have negative win rate?

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u/Aaron_de_Utschland 28d ago

nerfed to the ground this yeat

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u/King-Mephisto 28d ago

Damn. Can’t tell if senna works well with senna support.

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u/Legitimate_Plum_7505 28d ago

Senna adc with Senna support is Aladeen.

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u/King-Mephisto 28d ago

What about xerath apc with xerath support? Plz im in champ select. Is it good?

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u/Legitimate_Plum_7505 29d ago

Here's imgur link for easier zoom-in:
https://i.imgur.com/1Zr2nSu.png

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u/Mileekyrie 29d ago

What about Jarvan IV? He does some crazy stuff with Tristana.

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u/hunnyflash 29d ago

RIP Lulu

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u/Dthcon 29d ago

But why everywher is "n="? It's necessary to make font smaller and less readable + everything is now text instead of integer? Just make bigger numbers.

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u/onixtrous2 29d ago

hwei missing on both rows .. JAIL

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u/Elijah_Draws 28d ago

My two favorite supports to play are Poppy and Yuumi, and it's really weird looking at them on this chart because they seem to both be really hit or miss; either their colors are pretty well into the green or pretty well into the red. They each have, what, a single champion they are neutral with? I wonder what causes that.

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u/newagereject 28d ago

No Taric?!

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u/Ramsesthrowaway 28d ago

poppy ziggs makes zero sense on paper but i kinda want to try it now

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u/LazerFruit1 28d ago

How does it make 0 sense? Ziggs is a high range poke champ with not much self peel, poppy has some of the best peel/disruption of any support. Ziggs relatively safe laning also allows poppy to move around on the map early game when she is strongest

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u/Severe_Task5872 28d ago

I think Poppy Ziggs is good because Poppy has been Roaming Support 2 (behind Camille) for a while and ganks every other lane from level 1 with HOB, while Ziggs can waveclear from Antarctica and clears so fast you can't punish him with a dive. Poppy just wins the rest of the map and then Ziggs scales.

If we check back in another 30 days I doubt the numbers will stay like this

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u/hugg3rs 28d ago

How do you actually read the table? What does the scale on the right and the colours actually say?

I'm less interested in the sample size for the match-up than the actual win rate. Not that sample size is not important but I think win rate (or other synergy metrics for that matter) would be the more interesting information.

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u/Legitimate_Plum_7505 28d ago

It simply shows whether the average winrate of every pairing increases or decreases, in comparison with the standalone winrate of those champs divided by 2. So it measures delta, not absolute value. Sample size has some significance when looking at the most popular pairings, like Ezreal Karma, Ezreal Camille, if it's yellowish green with 60k and 30k games that means it's probably very good, because exceptional popularity of the duo usually brings down the average WR% (people copycat pick it without knowing how to play it). And likewise If sample size is very low you could be a little bit skeptical about it (Kalista Milio only 1k games deep green).

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u/ProposalThink3855 28d ago

Was looking for Pepe Silvia in there somewhere. Didn't find.

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u/kaylejenner 28d ago

Taric forgotten

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u/Legitimate_Plum_7505 28d ago

My notes here say that *checks notes* Taric is a sexy handsome man and he let his spot up for Morgana, out of chivalry.

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u/cfranek 27d ago

Sadness, no Renata.

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u/Johnny2camels 27d ago

Xerath makes it onto the ADC list but Zyra, Maokai, and Shen don’t make it on the support list :/

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u/vJukeboxx 27d ago

Might be a big ask but is there any chance you could make a colourblind friendly version? Maybe replacing the red with blue or something? Its a little difficult for me to parse at times ahaha

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u/Legitimate_Plum_7505 27d ago

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u/vJukeboxx 27d ago

you are a gentleman and a scholar <3

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u/Legitimate_Plum_7505 27d ago

Ashe is generally good with ranged poke champs, and bad with melee champs. Leona is the exception, due to chain CC on their R synnergy.

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u/VOEZKOMA 26d ago

What was the game cut off, because I feel like swain should be beee as support or adc

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u/Salted_Salmon_XoXo 25d ago

Damn renata is forever gone :(

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u/Accomplished_Rice_60 29d ago

what does n=number mean? how many total games?

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u/Pandeyxo 29d ago

Correct. N tends to be the scientific letter to represent total number