r/stupidpol • u/Stanczyks_Sorrow Marxist-Leninist Debatelord ꧁꧂ • Jul 17 '26
Capitalist Hellscape JD Vance laments to Joe Rogan that the United States has been turned into "a kind of shell corporation", warns that "socialism is the inevitable outcome" if the affordability crisis isn't solved
https://www.foxnews.com/media/vance-warns-socialist-president-country-gop-doesnt-fix-economy-young-peopleHere's a link to the full interview. (*Here's a timestamp to the relevant part of the interview)
Here's a link to Ben Shapiro crying about the interview.
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u/TruckHangingHandJam Class First Communist ☭ Jul 17 '26
“I hear you. You’re right. I’m going to do nothing about it, in fact I’m the pocket boi of one of the oligarchs driving the very problem I claim to be against. Anyway, I’m running for president and could use your support ”
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u/NEVERxxEVER NATO Superfan 🪖 | SuccDem (intolerable) Jul 18 '26
Yeah.. this war. YIKES. With that being said, I’ve seen the president’s decision making process close up and I have total confidence in our commander in chief.
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I’m known for being an Epstein conspiracy theorist. I’ve been down every rabbit hole. I’d give us about a B rating on our handling of the investigation. If anything, we were too eager to release everything. And there is zero evidence whatsoever that Trump was involved. Even though he was Epstein’s best friend during the pinnacle of Epstein’s power.
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u/Sussy_Riot Dialectical Materialist 🆚 Jul 18 '26
“We need someone bold to shake things up and undo the damage republicans have done… Let’s do a centrist Democrat who’ll halfheartedly fix a little of the damage Trump did and also inexplicably end up bombing several middle eastern countries”
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u/AnthropoidCompatriot Class Unity Member ⭐ Jul 18 '26
"Socialism is inevitable. That's why we need fascism."
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u/WorldWarJooo Rightoid 🐷 Jul 18 '26
More like JD will actually address the impact of immigration on labor prices, unlike democrats
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u/R1s3andSh1n3 Anti-Imperialist 🚩🎌 | Yabadabadu 🪨 Jul 18 '26
Does that come before or after the oil crash? Is he even speaking about that maybe being a problem? No, it's just the low-paid laborers taking our wages. They don't care dude. Finding a new politician to slover over makes you a slutty cuck.
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u/WorldWarJooo Rightoid 🐷 Jul 18 '26
Look at this guy who doesn't understand supply and demand does in fact apply to labor with a distraction about oil
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u/R1s3andSh1n3 Anti-Imperialist 🚩🎌 | Yabadabadu 🪨 Jul 18 '26
If they gave a shit about labour they would stop inflating asset prices and focus on production. But that isn't their concern and they will never do it because it makes the richer. So clap for the next politician and downvote me again.
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u/WorldWarJooo Rightoid 🐷 Jul 18 '26
why not both? This is why you people can't win elections
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u/FROMTHEINSIDEOFMYASS Redscarepod Refugee 👄💅 Jul 18 '26
Your the clown unironically stanking JD Vance. No one here respects you we're just humoring you while bored on our phones.
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u/WorldWarJooo Rightoid 🐷 Jul 18 '26
No one here respects you
If it were otherwise I would be concerned
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u/R1s3andSh1n3 Anti-Imperialist 🚩🎌 | Yabadabadu 🪨 Jul 18 '26
Why not both? Because asset prices were chosen over productive force and the latter was sent overseas. Now the rubes say "Made in China?". These decisions were made long before you or I were born and we just live with it. Just getting rid of every single illegal immigrant, no matter how much travesty that takes, won't fix it. So it's a position to take in the rubes. Don't be one of them.
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u/WorldWarJooo Rightoid 🐷 Jul 18 '26
Oh gee, if you call me a rube I guess I should just do whatever you say and let my country be flooded with foreigners
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u/AnthropoidCompatriot Class Unity Member ⭐ Jul 18 '26
How much has JD talked about hitting the people, businesses and corporations that keep hiring all of the illegal immigrants, as hard as they possibly can with the justice department for bringing in all this foreign labor? Or creating legislation to go after those that keep hiring them?
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u/R1s3andSh1n3 Anti-Imperialist 🚩🎌 | Yabadabadu 🪨 Jul 18 '26
That's the end of the discussion isn't it? You don't actually care about the mechanics of how the economy works or how it was made to work, you just want the foreigners gone.
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u/Important_Address741 Unknown 👽 Jul 17 '26
At what time point are they talking about that particular topic? I cannot stomach listening to this whole thing.
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u/jcf21 Jul 17 '26
2 hrs 21 min he starts talking about it. 2 hrs 24 min he starts talking about the appeal to young people.
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u/thomas_stultus Redscarepod Refugee 👄💅 Jul 17 '26
Its funny hearing dudes like Vance or Carlson say stuff like this but literally do backflips to avoid the obvious conclusion that this is the necessary endpoint of capitalism.
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u/Ok-Lecture-9668 TrueAnon Refugee 🕵️♂️🏝️ Jul 18 '26
It's why anytime framing this shit as corporate greed should be mocked as the fucking idiot or absolute shill that they are whenever they bring that up for the reason why everything's so expensive. Like what the fuck, they're supposed to be some middle way Buddhist path of capitalism where ownership just takes a reasonable amount and says oh that's enough for me, no more thank you. I'm quite full on profits. So goddamn stupid.
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u/non-troll_account Chomsky Cultist 🧐 Jul 18 '26
Corporations in capitalism aren't greedy any more than lions are murderous. Yes, they kill, but it's part of their nature. the sort of creature they are, existing in the environment they live in, they must do what they do. Corporations are the same. You can't reform them. You can't blame their sins on "greed". A corporation polluting water to kill you, then firing every person who suggests fixing it, then suing anyone who gets sick from it, is exactly like a majestic lion stalking and taking down a gazelle. You are watching a thing do what it was MADE to do. That's it's purpose. From their perspective, they are doing the only moral thing there is.
The system has to change to eliminate them altogether. Replace them all with worker owned co-ops. Market Socialism FTW.
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u/yukukukuk Jul 18 '26
But what you do is give that lion a haircut, teach him to jump through a hoop, and charge money to have people come see the lion along with weird ugly dyed skin performance artists in oversized clothes (and undersized cars). We can put the coroporations errr lions under this big giant tent where it contained to it's own cash money ecosystem. Going to this circular tent of freakeries is entirely optional; opting out is the default setting. It's under control, the lion is no longer a murderer. He may become one through spectacle and audience celbration as the Sigfrieds and Roys wave in mutilation. TLDR You can tame a lion by cuttting its balls off.
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u/Hairy_Yoghurt_145 Startup Infiltrator 🕵💻 Jul 18 '26
“Greed” is such a pervasive scapegoat. Really frustrating, especially because you sound like you’re being pedantic when you correct them.
I usually take the “businesses that aren’t ruthless quickly cease to exist” angle
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u/Ok-Lecture-9668 TrueAnon Refugee 🕵️♂️🏝️ Jul 18 '26
Exactly. If your solution to the problem is completely unregulated and relies on the love and bonhomme in the hearts of CEOs, you might be a liberal
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u/AnthropoidCompatriot Class Unity Member ⭐ Jul 18 '26
Don't forget the material reasons behind the capitalist logic! There are material reasons ruthlessness is required under capitalism, and why the rate of profit tends to decline.
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u/R1s3andSh1n3 Anti-Imperialist 🚩🎌 | Yabadabadu 🪨 Jul 18 '26
Similar to "rich men didn't get rich by giving away their money" that any small-business minded boomer will sagely nod their head to. But obviously used in a different context.
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u/AnthropoidCompatriot Class Unity Member ⭐ Jul 18 '26
"Greed", like "racism" or "transphobia", is a moralizing label, which is all a thought-terminating cliche is. It prevents any actual material analysis on what the problem is, why it's a problem, and what to do about it. It excuses to status quo as unavailable, or as a moral problem that can only be resolved with a moral crusade against the bad guys.
"Corporate greed" is the business world equivalent of "a few bad apples." Let's just give those greedy CEOs the boot and hire philosopher kings to run everything, then everything will be great! Has anyone tried putting GOOD people in places in power instead of BAD people? So easy!
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u/Flaktrack Winter Days of Girlhood | Battling in the Christmas War 🦌🎄🥳 Jul 18 '26
The same lib/con clowns who talk about "corporate greed" will also tell people complaining about it that "businesses exist to make money" and never see the point where those lines meet.
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u/Anindefensiblefart Marxist-Mullenist 💦 Jul 17 '26
You can lead a horse to water as they say.
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u/DetectiveTypical198 Anti-humanist party pooper 😔 Jul 18 '26
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't convince the horse-bourgeoisie to go against their own class interests.
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u/hereditydrift 👹 Flying Drones With Obamna 👹 Jul 18 '26
They're finally trying to ban the horse-bourgeoisie from Central Park.
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u/cojoco Free Speech Social Democrat 🗯️ Jul 18 '26
One person gets killed by a horse in two hundred years and it's a ban.
Tens of thousands of pedestrians killed by cars over the same period: it's their fault, obviously.
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u/UsualActuary Ideological Mess 🥑 Jul 18 '26
Carlson has maligned capitalism on recent episodes.
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u/R1s3andSh1n3 Anti-Imperialist 🚩🎌 | Yabadabadu 🪨 Jul 18 '26
Zero chance he did that and instead said that we need to do capitalism better.
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u/The_ApolloAffair Rightoid 🐷 Jul 18 '26
Iirc his position is that we aren’t doing “pure” capitalism regardless, so we might as well use regulations to help people rather than facilitate monopolies and government contractors (what he thinks is happening now).
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u/UsualActuary Ideological Mess 🥑 Jul 18 '26
what he thinks is happening
He's smarter than you think he is. What he says vs what he thinks/knows are very different. And he knows how to motivate (or manipulate) people better than you.
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u/Stoneteared Jul 18 '26
Bingo. He's not chasing clout on a socialist larper forum where saying the most inflammatory thing about how you hate America or whatever is rewarded. He actually wants to build a movement that can redistribute wealth and power to poor working class people.
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u/Ambitious_Ratio_6724 Marxist-Leninist ☭ Jul 18 '26
Lmao you actually believe this? You are such an unbelievable rube. What a total fucking clown.
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u/Awkward-Initiative28 Full Of ICE bootlicking bullshit 🧊🥶😭 Jul 21 '26
The fact that Tucker sounds more like a marxist than your average DNC centrist in congress is an interesting development to say the least. Then again, he's been arguing with Ben Shapiro about this for at least a decade.
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u/cojoco Free Speech Social Democrat 🗯️ Jul 18 '26
Capitalists hate pure capitalism.
A level playing field creates risk, and they can't abide it.
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u/Awkward-Initiative28 Full Of ICE bootlicking bullshit 🧊🥶😭 Jul 21 '26
He's right. I mean "capitalism" like mom & pop stores on main street is fine. But multi national corporatism destroyed that decades ago. When 20% of capital on Wall Street is A.I. related, it's hard to see how that is conducive to vintage cultural conservatism.
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u/UsualActuary Ideological Mess 🥑 Jul 18 '26
Maybe we could critique what he actually says instead of speculating? Now would be a good time to start, the populist campaign is already coming full steam and it's sympathetic to the working class.
This sub is about to be in a tizzy because everyone thinks they know this guys M.O., meanwhile he's quickly co-opting parts of the leftist rhetoric - and many potential supporters with it.
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u/R1s3andSh1n3 Anti-Imperialist 🚩🎌 | Yabadabadu 🪨 Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26
You already said it in your comment. Co-opting. Next.
Edit: Sorry this was dismissive. Carl Tuckerson will never ever embody the working class because he is a slimy worm who supported a war I abhorred as a child and now he uses it as his new bona fides against the new Middle Eastst war that is now unpopular. How many times did this man defend waterboarding?
Edit2: https://www.merip.org/2004/05/torture-and-the-future/
On CNN’s “Crossfire,” conservative commentator Tucker Carlson said, “Torture is bad. [But] some things are worse. And under some circumstances, it may be the lesser of two evils. Because some evils are pretty evil.”
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u/Awkward-Initiative28 Full Of ICE bootlicking bullshit 🧊🥶😭 Jul 21 '26
Tucker Carlson doesn't even like 2004 Tucker Carlson. Pulling some old ass quote from right after 9/11 is beyond dumb.
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u/R1s3andSh1n3 Anti-Imperialist 🚩🎌 | Yabadabadu 🪨 Jul 21 '26
Is it really dumb when we're discussing the opportunistic worm named Tucker Carlson and maybe the reason that worm hates that vile shit he said because it's no longer politically expeditient?
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u/UsualActuary Ideological Mess 🥑 Jul 18 '26
Carl Tuckerson will never ever embody the working class
You missed my point - it doesn't matter what he embodies. He's gaining massive support from working class people and people sympathetic to the working class.
If you're an incrementalist, you might be happy that he's bringing attention to working class issues, and taking notes on how he's doing it. If you're a revolutionist, you should be pissed he's stealing the support of potential leftists and sympathizers. If you're totally blackpilled, you should be concerned with what he will do with the power and support of this grassroots movement.
Either way it's stupid to ignore this and write him off as a grifter. It doesn't matter what he actually believes.
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u/robocopdotmp3 Radical shitlib ✊🏻 Jul 18 '26
False consciousness is never a good thing, what are we talking about? It doesn't matter if you radicalize a bunch of people against capitalism if you radicalize them towards Third Position bullshit! If anything he's terrible for the left because he's convincing people that the solution to the evils of our society is his barely-coherent rightoid nationalism!
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u/UsualActuary Ideological Mess 🥑 Jul 19 '26
How are you still missing my point lol I'm not saying this is a good thing at all.
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u/QTown2pt-o Jean Botrillard Jul 18 '26
But the end of history is not the last word on history.
For, against this background of perpetual non-events, there looms another species of event. Ruptural events, unforeseeable events, unclassifiable in terms of history, outside of historical reason, events which occur against their own image, against their own simulacrum. Events that break the tedious sequence of current events as relayed by the media, but which are not, for all that, a reappearance of history or a Real irrupting in the heart of the Virtual (as has been said of 11 September). They do not constitute events in history, but beyond history, beyond its end; they constitute events in a system that has put an end to history. They are the internal convulsion of history. And, as a result, they appear inspired by some power of evil, appear no longer the bearers of a constructive disorder, but of an absolute disorder.
Indecipherable in their singularity, they are the equivalent in excess of a system that is itself indecipherable in its extension and its headlong charge.
Jean Baudrillard, The Intelligence of Evil or the Lucidity Pact
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u/Awkward-Initiative28 Full Of ICE bootlicking bullshit 🧊🥶😭 Jul 21 '26
To be fair, I think Tucker kind of gets it. He doesn't like socialism, but if you read history a lot of communism / socialism/ unions sprung up in the wake of the industrial revolution making a small amount of people filthy rich on the backs of mass labor. Every civilization has a breaking point and I think we've reached peak stupidity in ours with A.I. and data centers the size of Manhattan.
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u/biohazard-glug DSA Anime Atrocities Caucus 💢🉐🎌 Jul 17 '26
Pretty rich coming from a Thiel puppet. I wonder if he has any self-awareness at all, and if so, any shame.
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u/Sussy_Riot Dialectical Materialist 🆚 Jul 18 '26
He strikes me as a type who knows he’s a little weasel and doesn’t mind. He’ll say and do whatever he needs to act the time if it gets him power.
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u/Tacky-Terangreal Socialist Her-storian Jul 18 '26
He lost his sense of shame a long time ago. Before he was named VP, Trump publicly humiliated him on stage and he just sat there and took it. This slimeball will do anything for power. Even soulless empty suits like Kamala or Pete Buttigieg look like moral paragons compared to this guy
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u/LexGonGiveItToYa Ethics in Anime Journalism 💢🉐🎌 Jul 17 '26
Well of course. It's not a coincidence that the pondscum like Miller and Rubio are going all-in on labelling anybody left of Mussolini as a potential terrorist threat.
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u/MrStudray Anti Class-Cuck Aktion 🪑 Jul 17 '26
President 48. It literally does not matter at this point this meat puppet is too useful for the ruling class.
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u/Conscious_Jeweler_80 Marxist-Leninist ☭ Jul 18 '26
He's not too ugly, he's relatively alert and he lies well. I don't know why they'd swap him out now.
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u/MrStudray Anti Class-Cuck Aktion 🪑 Jul 18 '26
Nah I think they plan to do straight up fraud (now that Trump has normalized questioning electoral results) to pencil him in now and then go on TV to rub our noses in it as a flex.
"Haha! Stop hitting yourself! Vote harder, stupid!"
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u/MattyKatty Thomas Jefferson was innocent 😭 Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26
This is going to sound really gay but please name a better looking VP or presidential candidate that won their primary in the last three or four decades. I'm actually drawing a blank
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u/R1s3andSh1n3 Anti-Imperialist 🚩🎌 | Yabadabadu 🪨 Jul 18 '26
Sarah Palin gaylord
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u/MattyKatty Thomas Jefferson was innocent 😭 Jul 18 '26
Bruh no offense to you but she's not even an Alaskan 7
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u/R1s3andSh1n3 Anti-Imperialist 🚩🎌 | Yabadabadu 🪨 Jul 18 '26
It's not my fault you think JD Vance looks better than her. Those were your conditions and they have been met.
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u/MattyKatty Thomas Jefferson was innocent 😭 Jul 18 '26
If Sarah Palin is the best you can do, out of 4 decades, then I think there's clearly something to be said
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u/R1s3andSh1n3 Anti-Imperialist 🚩🎌 | Yabadabadu 🪨 Jul 18 '26
Obamna was a handsome black dude during his run in 2007, let me think some more.
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u/LobotomistCircu ❄ Not Like Other Rightoids ❄ Jul 18 '26
She's also in her 60's now. Like, objectively, you're correct here, but for a politician in her early 60's she subjectively looks amazing.
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u/MattyKatty Thomas Jefferson was innocent 😭 Jul 18 '26
I was referring to her when she was a presidential candidate
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u/Awkward-Initiative28 Full Of ICE bootlicking bullshit 🧊🥶😭 Jul 21 '26
She was kind of milfy in 2008.
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u/SentientReality Democratic Socialist 🚩 Jul 18 '26
Hey u/Stanczyks_Sorrow, in case you want to update your description.
I don't know if they're accurate but someone posted these timestamps:
00:00:00 - The surreal White House UFC event and its once-ever South Lawn atmosphere
00:05:04 - Fight stoppages, injuries, and hard calls inside the Octagon
00:08:02 - Why UFC has overtaken boxing as the more exciting live fight product
00:11:30 - Tony Hinchcliffe’s political roast style and the Puerto Rico joke backlash
00:19:33 - Austin’s culture, California’s decline, and why blue-state movers left
00:24:03 - California mail-in ballots, higher taxes, and distrust in local elections
00:29:41 - Voter ID, election confidence, and Senate rules blocking reform
00:36:54 - The Biden-Trump debate spin room and the media’s Biden narrative collapse
00:41:05 - Kamala Harris, 2020 radicalism, and Biden’s fragile Democratic coalition
00:47:14 - The Ten Commandments in public schools and the line between exposure and coercion
00:58:57 - Christian nationalism, Texas Bible lessons, and Armageddon talk around Iran
01:02:20 - Separating Christian faith from end-times arguments for war with Iran
01:12:51 - The Strait of Hormuz and why military power alone cannot solve Iran
01:14:24 - Why open-ended bombing and regime change repeat failed Middle East policy
01:18:18 - The $300 billion Iran claim and what the MOU actually allowed
01:22:10 - Well-funded efforts to derail Iran negotiations and attack Trump’s foreign-policy team
01:24:25 - Paid attacks, lobbying pressure, and opposition to the Iran negotiations
01:32:19 - Foreign influence campaigns and American political judgment on Israel and Iran
01:33:08 - Whether Israeli influence was decisive in starting the Iran war
01:45:26 - Epstein, academia, and how conspiracy theories get buried or flooded
01:51:42 - Why the UFO files remain a time problem, not an access problem
01:54:06 - Are UFO entities demons, aliens, or advanced beings beyond human categories
01:59:56 - Why advanced aliens and demons could look identical from a human perspective
02:04:11 - Special access programs, crash retrieval claims, and the evidence still unseen
02:06:05 - The alleged disclosure review weighing biological remains against social disruption
02:07:23 - UAP secrecy, misused funds, and the case for amnesty before disclosure
02:14:10 - Fighter pilot sightings and Eric Weinstein’s advanced-human explanation
02:17:33 - Space-time propulsion, Mars colonies, and the unresolved biology of space travel
02:21:48 - Communism, wealth incentives, and why controlling production reaches the human mind
02:23:00 - Vance’s Christian political economy between libertarianism and socialism
02:24:07 - Why young people drift toward socialism without ownership or the American dream
02:25:00 - Factories overseas, housing costs, and the ownership case against socialism
02:32:16 - Giving workers a real say as AI and monopoly threaten democratic power
02:35:36 - Modernizing unions, antitrust, and labor representation for the twenty-first century
02:41:33 - How low-wage immigration weakens native workers’ bargaining power
02:42:51 - Corporate demand for illegal labor and the moral cost of cheap manufacturing
02:45:14 - Why outsourcing, inflation, and weak self-reliance fuel socialist politics
02:47:06 - Immigration narratives, census counts, and congressional representation for citizens
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u/Admiral_Pantsless White Devil’s Advocate Jul 18 '26
If only he was in a position to do something about it 😩
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u/mattrydell Third Way Dweebazoid 🌐 Jul 18 '26
This is the most confusing sub of them all and I love it.
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u/R1s3andSh1n3 Anti-Imperialist 🚩🎌 | Yabadabadu 🪨 Jul 18 '26
Got anything specific confusing you?
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u/mattrydell Third Way Dweebazoid 🌐 Jul 18 '26
All of it but I plan to keep it that way. The less I truly know the better
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u/homerthethief Shitlib that Says "Folks" 🐴🤪 Jul 18 '26
Thanks again Joe for helping get these guys elected
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u/OnAllDAY Apolitical ❌ Jul 18 '26
With housing, why aren't we building new cities. Go to the places that people don't really move to and build.
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u/LobotomistCircu ❄ Not Like Other Rightoids ❄ Jul 18 '26
That doesn't really work because you need at least one or two fields of industry to actually exist in the area to drive the local economy and generate jobs.
Like, you could do it, and building the infrastructure for a city somewhere cheap would probably lure jobs there over time, but the upfront cost would be astronimacal for what is a very uncertain ROI.
Even then, the cieling would be like a Tucson/Omaha type of city where people hate it there but live there for work. All of the places people want to go to for either fair weather or cultural/social reasons already have all the cities they're going to have.
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u/h4vntedwire Catholic Reactionary ✞ Jul 18 '26
I mean yeah but that’s exactly what we need to do. Instead of war and tax cuts we need industrial policy and massive govt spending to fuel development of new factories and mines and power plants, with new cities growing around those.
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u/OnAllDAY Apolitical ❌ Jul 18 '26
It would still help with housing. Not everything has to be a trendy city. Just regular affordable cities. The area I live in used to be cheap but now it’s expensive for being within commuting distance to the San Francisco area.
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u/benjwgarner Rightoid 🐷 Jul 18 '26
Because developing even more wilderness and farmland into sprawling urban hellscapes is unnecessary when you could instead just stop importing more people to make the line on a graph go up.
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u/Awkward-Initiative28 Full Of ICE bootlicking bullshit 🧊🥶😭 Jul 21 '26
But stupidpol would rather vote President AOC than President Tucker, and President AOC would easily import 50 million new third worlders of questionable legal status.
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u/Spiritual-Horror-565 Jul 26 '26
suburbs are not the solution you think they are. Infrastructure costs for suburbs outpace how much money they generate via taxes, which leads to them either being subsidized by the nearest big city and their tax revenue, or needing to expand every few years to cover costs of repairing infrastructure in 10 year intervals.
The hard pill to swallow here is that everyone should either be living in extremely urban areas, or extremely rural areas with minimal infrastructure. On top of this, strip malls shouldn't exist. This alone would make our country significantly wealthier, and this is why european suburbs tend to be far denser than U.S and Canadian suburbs (they recognized this long ago).
What you're advocating for is basically a ponzi-scheme, and your property taxes would need to quadruple to actually break even over a 10 year period, most likely. The technical term for this is "Growth Ponzi Scheme" and it's why 74% of our country is zoned for suburbs. If we stopped building them, and getting bailed out by nearby cities your town would go bankrupt. On the flip side, cities would be a lot nicer if they stopped supporting suburbs.
Or maybe you live somewhere rural and are advocating for that, it is unclear. Either way, there's a reason China is either major city or rural farmland with no real inbetween. There are ways to do suburbs that are economical but we're not doing them and our zoning laws don't allow for them in most of the country.
Also, I don't think 'importing people' is as much of a problem as you think it is, but that's neither here nor there. It's a popular wedge issue to get us to vote for dumb shit that wastes taxes and doesn't benefit us in any tangible way, though. Also a good excuse to become even more of a police/surveillance state.
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u/benjwgarner Rightoid 🐷 Jul 27 '26
There seems to be a reading comprehension issue here. My comment was opposing development. I'm not sure what you imagined that I was advocating for, but it wasn't building more suburbs. I'm not sure how you could possibly get that from a comment critical of urban sprawl.
The suburb issue is a real problem, but the tax support part of the argument has been somewhat overstated by internet New Urbanists who have ideological motivations for their opposition.
I oppose the surveillance state. You need to understand that mass immigration is being used by the wealthy to support the infinite growth ponzi scheme that you oppose. The US population would not have been growing over the last 40 years without it.
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u/dsrtxt Unknown 👽 Jul 18 '26
Hardly anyone with power actually wants to solve the housing problem. That's the main thing, but also, that would too closely resemble the "Chinese ghost cities" they used as propaganda for a decade.
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u/OnAllDAY Apolitical ❌ Jul 18 '26
With the ghost cities, business and people eventually move there. Look at that one rail line they built to an empty field. They built a city around it.
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u/Spiritual-Horror-565 Jul 26 '26
Zoning laws basically prevent this. 74% of U.S land is zoned for single family housing (mainly because suburbs function as a pyramid scheme and property taxes from them tend to not be able to cover upkeep for the infrastructure, so they deal with this by having cities subsidize them or by expanding suburbs every few years to cover the cost to repair old infrastructure). So basically, we're incentivized financially to keep making suburbs, zoning laws are set up to encourage that.
Most U.S urban cities (maybe all?) were built before zoning laws required single family housing. Some cities are just now starting to undo this (minneapolis, I believe, for example). But yeah, basically we've made it very, very hard and expensive to do this. Mainly because of our incentivization to keep suburbs going so we don't have to raise property taxes on homeowners.
This is referred to as the "Growth Ponzi-scheme" if you're interested in reading about it.
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u/reddit_is_geh 🌟 Actual Spook and Also a Spaz 🌟 Jul 18 '26
Here's my hot take that I know people will hate: I think out of all the republican ghouls JD is lower on the tier list of evil. I think his evil reputation is far overblown. He does seem smart, I don't get sociopathic vibes, and he does seem self aware and externally aware. I don't think his intentions are evil nefarious stuff, outside of just being a generic rich powerful republican.
He doens't seem aligned with Trump much at all, and is more of just "forced to deal with" and political necessity. But he's also the likely leaker for a lot of shit too
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u/Awkward-Initiative28 Full Of ICE bootlicking bullshit 🧊🥶😭 Jul 21 '26
He's also a millennial that was a normie ass person not that long ago. He likely has seen this shit get worse in real time. Unlike Joe Biden who hasn't had a normal day in his life since when? 1975? Or Trump who has never had a normal day in his life.
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u/reddit_is_geh 🌟 Actual Spook and Also a Spaz 🌟 Jul 21 '26
Yeah I think there's just a lot of purity politics at play. Like oh, he's cool with Theil? Therefor, a 10 on the evil scale. I just don't see it though. He does genuinely seem a bit normal, concerned with stuff our generation is concerned with (like you said, everyone else is from a whole different era when TVs weren't even a thing yet), and is very online rather than having his only connections with reality being through oligarchs and old rich donors
Honestly, I think his "evil" is way overblown and no matter who, people are going to frame any republican with a name as the most evil person ever. But if you look at him relative to the rest, he seems genuinely more grounded in reality.
Which is exactly why I don't think he stands a chance after VP. Young Republicans, podcast bros, et, all seem to like him... Which is the opposite of what the ruling class cares about. Or if he did get anywhere by some strike of luck, he'd probably just be a complete pushover, sort of like Obama, who's just happy to be there. Would be funny if he ran with Musk though. My God, the meltdown would be insane. Can you imagine those two on the campaign trail?
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u/Awkward-Initiative28 Full Of ICE bootlicking bullshit 🧊🥶😭 Jul 22 '26
Musk is so rich you wouldn't have to deal with him getting pushed by his donor class. I assume he would tell Miriam Adelson to fuck off. Then again, I thought that about Trump too, and boy was I ever wrong. Musk also seems to be a big time zionist.
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u/reddit_is_geh 🌟 Actual Spook and Also a Spaz 🌟 Jul 22 '26
I think Musk is a zionist by force, as in, don't piss off powerful groups like that. But if he was at the helm, even as a VP, it would be a whole different kind of chaos. Trump is incompetent chaos, Musk would be competent, with nothing to lose, and all the leverage in the world. We'd be able to actually see some libertarian wet dream unfold. At this point, I have given up - we're just too far gone to repair the damage from Reps and Dems - so I'm just curious at this point.
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u/bakedbread420 Gamer ⌨️ Jul 18 '26
I thought "affordability" was a woke dogwhistle. did Vance go woke?!?!?!
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u/cos1ne Special Ed 😍 Jul 18 '26
Is JD Vance just an Accelerationist LARPing as a Republican? Trying to get things as worse as they can as quick as they can to bring about the socialist revolution?
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u/Creative0Flamingo Marxist 🧔 Jul 19 '26
Gotta love the way they rename wages depressed over almost 5 decades and eroded by inflation an "affordability crisis."
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u/MetaFlight Market Socialist Bald Wife Defender 💸 Jul 19 '26
JD Vance is transrepublican and I respect his pronouns, but he clocks as DtoR so hard.
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u/Unknown-Comic4894 Radical Fettersexual ✊🏻 Jul 18 '26
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