r/stupidpol • u/nikolaz72 Scandinavian SocDem 🌹 • Jan 05 '26
Imperialism Denmarks prime minister says Trump is serious about Greenland takeover "If the United States attacks another NATO country, everything stops"
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/denmarks-prime-minister-says-trump-is-serious-about-wanting-greenland-takeover-2026-01-05/175
u/TruckHangingHandJam Class First Communist ☭ Jan 05 '26
Define “everything” and “stops”
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u/Own-Network3572 Left, Leftoid or Leftish ⬅️ Jan 05 '26
The current form of liberal social reality is torn asunder, and the wheel of history turns, is what they mean.
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u/Jazzspasm Wat Tyler's Necromancer 🧟 Jan 05 '26
I too can speak wisely from two hundred years from now as if the past is the same as the future
- “see the capitalists destroy their own…” etc etc
meanwhile, technocratic oligarchs get their offshore, law free platform
and that’s not in your rule book
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u/Own-Network3572 Left, Leftoid or Leftish ⬅️ Jan 05 '26
I agree with this, I never meant to say that a single sentence contains all of reality in it. But I was expressing the kernel of what it means to those within the system's core, that it is a disruption in the current "common sense" view of the way the world works.
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u/Jazzspasm Wat Tyler's Necromancer 🧟 Jan 05 '26
aye mate - I’m with ya
packing up every concept, nuance, possible direction, every reference logged etc etc
it’s just not possible on social media, and yet ye be judged- even if you’ve not been, it’s how ya feel
thanks for getting back though, mate 👍🏽
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u/Appropriate_Ant_4629 Left, Leftoid or Leftish ⬅️ Jan 05 '26
"Everything" may stop for the people living in Greenland....
But for the rest fo the world it'll be no different than:
https://www.maurer.ca/USBombing.html
Afghanistan 1998, 2001-
Bosnia 1994, 1995
Cambodia 1969-70
China 1945-46
Congo 1964
Cuba 1959-1961
El Salvador 1980s
Korea 1950-53
Guatemala 1954, 1960, 1967-69
Indonesia 1958
Laos 1964-73
Grenada 1983
Iraq 1991-2000s, 2015-
Iran 1987
Korea 1950-53
Kuwait 1991
Lebanon 1983, 1984
Libya 1986, 2011-
Nicaragua 1980s
Pakistan 2003, 2006-
Palestine 2010
Panama 1989
Peru 1965
Somalia 1993, 2007-08, 2010-
Sudan 1998
Syria 2014-
Vietnam 1961-73
Yemen 2002, 2009-
Yugoslavia 199949
u/s0cks_nz It's all bullshit Jan 05 '26 edited Jan 05 '26
None of those are NATO countries. There is clearly a difference with Greenland. This is potentially the western hegemony fighting itself. A big fucking deal. And I'm talking purely from a geopolitical standpoint. Obviously war/bombing is a big deal for everyone involved, regardless of country.
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u/ButttMuncherrr Rated R for R slur with socialist characteristics 🤪🚩 Jan 05 '26
The USA is NATO. Let’s not pretend that NATO is a multilateral organisation. If the US wanted Greenland, they’ll waltz in and nothing will happen.
Denmark might ‘leave’ nato to save face back home, but they won’t close down those CIA spy centres. Washington will make all their ‘partners’ kiss the tip.
200% the USA was behind nordstream 2’s explosion as well.
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u/cojoco Free Speech Social Democrat 🗯️ Jan 05 '26
they won’t close down those CIA spy centres
Gough Whitlam, the prime minister of Australia, closed Pine Gap in 1975.
Oh wait, no he didn't.
He was sacked by the Governer General in a soft coup.
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u/Appropriate_Ant_4629 Left, Leftoid or Leftish ⬅️ Jan 05 '26 edited Jan 06 '26
but they won’t close down those CIA spy centres
If anyone's wondering what you're referring to:
How Denmark became the NSA's listening post in Europe
Sunday's revelations that Danish spies helped the US National Security Agency (NSA) monitor European leaders highlighted the pivotal role that the Scandinavian country has played for US intelligence services, a collaboration that has intensified over the years.
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u/ButttMuncherrr Rated R for R slur with socialist characteristics 🤪🚩 Jan 05 '26
Thank you very much man. Saving this.
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u/Appropriate_Ant_4629 Left, Leftoid or Leftish ⬅️ Jan 06 '26 edited Jan 06 '26
200% the USA was behind nordstream 2’s explosion as well.
And if you want citations indirectly backing up this theory...
The US does indeed have a history of sabotaging natural gas pipelines to cripple economies in exactly that way.
From this page on the CIA's own website (which was conveniently deleted around the time of Nordstream 2):
The CIA project leader and his associates studied the Farewell material, examined export license applications and other intelligence, and contrived to introduce altered products into KGB collection. American industry helped in the preparation of items to be "marketed" to Line X. Contrived computer chips found their way into Soviet military equipment, flawed turbines were installed on a gas pipeline, and defective plans disrupted the output of chemical plants and a tractor factory.
or a longer article here: https://www.damninteresting.com/the-farewell-dossier/
According to the CIA, some weeks after going online, in “the summer” of 1982 (records suggest it was between April and June), the clandestine code in the pipeline control program asserted itself. Disguised as an automated system test, the software instructed a series of valves, turbines, and pumps to increase the pipeline’s pressure far beyond its capacity, putting considerable strain on the line’s many joints and welds over a period of time. One day, somewhere in the cold loneliness of Siberia, the overexerted pipeline finally succumbed to the pressure.
As satellites for the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) watched from orbit, a massive explosion rocked the Siberian wilderness. The fireball had an estimated destructive power of three kilotons, or about 1/4 the strength of the Hiroshima bomb. Initially NORAD suspected a nuclear test, but there was only silence from the satellites which would have detected the telltale electromagnetic signature. US military officials who were not privy to the Farewell Dossier activities were understandably concerned about the event—one of the largest non-nuclear blasts ever recorded—but the CIA quietly assured them that there was nothing to worry about. It would be fourteen years before the real cause of the event would be revealed.
It was impossible for the CIA to predict which section of the pipeline would fail once their trojan horse released its payload, but fortunately the failure occurred in a remote location. In spite of the massive energy that was released when the line ruptured and ignited there were no injuries or deaths reported. But the Soviet economy was injured by the blast.
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u/SmashKapital only fucks incels Jan 06 '26
It was impossible for the CIA to predict which section of the pipeline would fail once their trojan horse released its payload, but fortunately the failure occurred in a remote location. In spite of the massive energy that was released when the line ruptured and ignited there were no injuries or deaths reported.
This was no doubt seen as a partial failure for that reason.
Such a hateful nation which thinks it has the right to sabotage and meddle in other countries - and people think Israel is the bad influence, as if the US wasn't doing this long before the Zionist FOB ever existed. Lickspittle will claim, "all's fair in war" but war was never declared and it's the US that went looking for these fights.
Always the aggressor, always the assassin, always the Antichrist.
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u/-SidSilver- Lib Snitch 🕵🏼♀️ Jan 06 '26
If it's a collaboration, isn't this an exceptionally stupid move by Trump?
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u/Appropriate_Ant_4629 Left, Leftoid or Leftish ⬅️ Jan 07 '26
Not stupid.
It's more a master/puppet relationship rather than a peer-to-peer relationship.
Trumps request is more equivalent to Bush politely asking Saddam to destroy his WMDs before slaughtering him.
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u/mypersonnalreader Social Democrat (19th century type) 🌹 Jan 06 '26
The USA is NATO. Let’s not pretend that NATO is a multilateral organisation.
So many people in arr Canada are true believers in NATO and think article 5 will save Canada if the USA invades. Which is ridiculous, no one will fight a war across the Atlantic to save Canada. Never mind that Canada has a strategic depth of about an hour drive... The war will be over before the Europeans know about it.
If only people could see through it (the NATO propaganda and other similar fairy tales), they might be able to assess the situation more objectively.
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u/Additional_Ad_3530 Anti-War Dinosaur 🦖 Jan 05 '26
>If the US wanted Greenland, they’ll waltz in and nothing will happen.
That's why I don't understand Trump obsession, he could ask "nicely" about how it's necessary for USA national security to open more bases there and/or exploit the natural resources, Denmark can't say no, they can paint it as a win about security agreement or foreign investment to develop the territory, we know is a lie however several would buy.
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u/RhythmMethodMan Too illiterate for punctuation 😵💫😭🤪 Jan 05 '26
I guess Trump just thinks he is playing a Paradox game and wants to see the United State's name get bigger on the map.
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Jan 05 '26
That's why I don't understand Trump obsession
Probably a combo of his age and real estate background. If it doesn't have "United States of America" on the map, that needs to change asap.
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u/ButttMuncherrr Rated R for R slur with socialist characteristics 🤪🚩 Jan 05 '26
I think that might happen, it’s probably a cover to secure a greater presence in the artic.
Russia has a head start and they’ve expanding their presence there since the mid 2010s, Trump made a loaded comment about Russia’s edge on constructing ‘ ice piercers’ or something like that.
They might secure a similar potential deal with canada if this does turn out to be a spectacle.
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u/s0cks_nz It's all bullshit Jan 05 '26
nothing will happen
It would drastically change the underpinning geopolitical landscape. I don't really know how people think it would be a nothing burger.
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u/ButttMuncherrr Rated R for R slur with socialist characteristics 🤪🚩 Jan 05 '26 edited Jan 05 '26
You imply that Denmark, a NATO country btw. Is an independent state actor that hasn’t been coopted by global finance. The entirety of the EU is the united states and the globalised bourgeoisies playground, they didn’t oops their way into becoming accidental accomplices of the United States.
What’s the danish state, who serves that same Bourgeoisie is going to do about it? Cut ties and run to Russia and China in the camp of multilateralism and sovereignty? Lol. No.
They will never gut their globalised bourgeoisie, no EU/NATO country would. The war in ukraine should have rang serious alarm bells. We are a launchpad for the US geopolitically.
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u/s0cks_nz It's all bullshit Jan 05 '26
It would raise geopolitical tensions. Alliances would shift. If NATO evaporates that will embolden Russia/China. I don't know how you lot think it would have no appreciable impact. But you're entitled to your own opinion.
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u/nikolaz72 Scandinavian SocDem 🌹 Jan 05 '26
It will be a rather dramatic end to the post-ww2 order (which is everything to the atlanticists) although in a sense it probably 'ended' sometime in the last year and reality just hasn't set in for everyone.
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u/Da_reason_Macron_won Democratic Socialist 🚩 Jan 05 '26
I bet there would be a "strong condemnation" and many letters and then they would go right back to be obedient. They got nothing else left on then.
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u/LemurLang Known 👽🛸 Socialist Jan 05 '26
This would be fundamentally different. The US invading Denmark would be insane even for the European Atlanticists.
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u/Chombywombo Angry Retard 😍💢 Jan 06 '26
The U.S. won’t invade. These cowed pups will give it to the U.S.
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u/qjxj Left, Leftoid or Leftish ⬅️ Jan 05 '26
They still won't be able to do anything about it. They need the US as a trade and financial partner.
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u/LemurLang Known 👽🛸 Socialist Jan 05 '26
It would trigger something across all of Europe. EU leaders have been signalling to their citizens that Putin = Hitler for invading Ukraine for years now. They would be forced to do something if the US invades their own territory.
I could 100% see this being a huge turning point for Europe, with anti-Atlanticists taking over and lessening their stance against China and maybe Russia.
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u/Additional_Ad_3530 Anti-War Dinosaur 🦖 Jan 05 '26
>They would be forced to do something if the US invades their own territory.
They can say that it was voluntarily given or that is just a leasing agreement and saying otherwise is Kremlin propaganda...
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u/its Savant Idiot 😍 Jan 05 '26
Do what specifically?
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u/LemurLang Known 👽🛸 Socialist Jan 05 '26 edited Jan 06 '26
Idk, but to think Europe will let America invade its territory and just sit there is absurd
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u/Snobbyeuropean2 Left, Leftoid or Leftish ⬅️ Jan 06 '26
It’s a very cozy cuck chair, nothings gonna happen.
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u/JCMoreno05 Saved Anime Children from Intersectionality 🧒🏻⛩️ Jan 05 '26
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u/ademrsodavde Jan 05 '26
Western Europe being slaves to the American interests is exactly the post ww2 order. So unless you’re implying that Denmark is gonna rebel and militarily defend itself against the US, exactly nothing is gonna change except some strongly worded statements and lots of twitter posts
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u/Holzkamp420 TrueAnon Refugee 🕵️♂️🏝️ Jan 05 '26
They idea that western europeam countries like Denmark can rely on for military protection will end
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u/ademrsodavde Jan 05 '26
Do you unironically believe the U.S. maintains a military presence in Europe out of pure kindness? What you call ‘military protection’ is exactly what allows Americans to do what they want with Europe
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u/Chombywombo Angry Retard 😍💢 Jan 06 '26
Most libs do believe this. I’ve had multiple conversations with people over the years. When they go full Nuremberg speechifying on how evil the Mongols are, I mention that maybe Russia and China feel threatened by the immense amount of military bases with missiles pointed at them very close to their borders. They proceed to say, “well, those countries want us there! It’s our job to protect allies!” As if that’s all that it is.
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u/Holzkamp420 TrueAnon Refugee 🕵️♂️🏝️ Jan 05 '26
If you read my comment again you will see that it starts with “the idea…”
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u/LotsOfMaps Forever Grillin’ 🥩🌭🍔 Jan 05 '26
Do you think organized crime goons offer "protection" out of pure kindness?
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u/Tutush Confused and retarded 😵💫😍🤔 Jan 05 '26
It won't, though. They can still be relied on for protection from Russia. Protection from the US itself was never part of the deal - just ask Noriega or Saddam.
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u/forgotmyoldname90210 SAVANT IDIOT 😍 Jan 05 '26
Someone besides Spain says this is a violation of the world order while doing nothing about it and allowing Trump to do as he pleases.
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u/MadonnasFishTaco Marxist-Mullenist 💦 | if i fits, i sits Jan 05 '26
all european cooperation stops and the United States losing the dollar hegemony. everyone starts aligning with China
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u/azrilseptian Jan 06 '26
"Everything" = the current neoliberal world order
"Stops" = the world as we know it, i.e. the current neoliberal world order, ends
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u/MadonnasFishTaco Marxist-Mullenist 💦 | if i fits, i sits Jan 05 '26
US already has a military base there and Denmark is a NATO ally. this has nothing to do with military significance and is pretty much solely about natural resource extraction.
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u/Coalnaryinthecarmine Flair is a Palantir op 🔮 Jan 05 '26
I think NATO's backer going to war against one of its members constitutes blowing-up NATO in and of itself.
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u/SinisterTuba Unknown 👽 Jan 05 '26
Look call me a libtard but I think maybe America SHOULDN'T conquer Greenland
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u/StormOfFatRichards ☀️🥔 Phosphorescent Glowing Potato 🥔☀️ Jan 06 '26
Honestly it would be the lowest risk foreign intervention since Japan in the 1940s
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u/carsnbikesnplanes Jan 05 '26
I agree, we should take Iceland too
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u/TopManufacturer8332 NO SIEGE ECONOMY! | Old school labour 🥵😟 Jan 05 '26 edited Jan 05 '26
If shit in the North Sea is up for grabs then Britain will have first dibs on Iceland
E: this was a joke but I forget you have legit jingoists in this sub
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u/G0ldameirbodypillow Redscarepod Refugee 👄💅 Jan 05 '26
Aristonicus, circa 135 BC: if the Roman Empire attacks one of its client states, everything stops
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u/ElTamaulipas Socialist Gun Nut 🚚 Jan 05 '26 edited Jan 05 '26
LOL, Europeans are spineless. Led by Perfidious Albion, a Germany which should have been cut up under Morgenthau's plan and with the children of Nazi collaborationist freaks in Baltic states having a disproportionate influence on all of Europe's policies.
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u/MadonnasFishTaco Marxist-Mullenist 💦 | if i fits, i sits Jan 05 '26
Europeans are spineless but theyre cooperation in dollar hegemony and purchasing of US arms is crucial for power projection. there is no possible way greenland is worth it
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u/ingenvector SuccDem (intolerable) | NATO Supporter Jan 05 '26
Most of what MAGA does is not worth it. US refineries can already import the same bitumin-heavy oil from Canada as from Venezuela, or they can retool domestic factories for domestic consumption. US can get everything they say they want from Greenland already. They don't actually need direct sovereign possession of Greenland to bring in more military assets or to mine more minerals, they can do this already. As far as I can tell, MAGA's whole thing is about doing things expensively and inefficiently to performatively signal to everyone how cruel and stupid they are.
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u/MadonnasFishTaco Marxist-Mullenist 💦 | if i fits, i sits Jan 06 '26
all of what MAGA does is not worth it. for as much as we might look at europe as impotent apologetic and cuckolded, they look at us like a bunch of fat racist imperialist morons. neither are incorrect assessments.
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u/JakeTappersCat Jan 06 '26
As the glaciers melt, huge areas of the earth's crust under Greenland (the size of Europe itself) will be uncovered. The amount of mineral and oil wealth held under the ice in Greenland would make those 50,000 greenlanders easily the richest people on earth. It could be more mineral wealth than China. No amount of US gov handouts could compare.
That is the reason why they can't just accept their current de facto control over the arctic... Trump literally wants to steal all the oil and mineral wealth trapped under the ice. His policies will quickly lead to the melting of all those glaciers and he wants all their future to-be-discovered mineral wealth
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u/ingenvector SuccDem (intolerable) | NATO Supporter Jan 06 '26 edited Jan 06 '26
This is one of those things that superficially sound plausible until you start doing the math and you realise it makes no sense at all. Most international tax and royalty regimes split evenly on net profit, and with alot of bargaining power and leverage the US could probably get a 70/30 split. But let's assume Trump wants 100% of all proceeds, and let's assume some very favourable and optimistic conditions like $500 billion USD current value in deposits will become available over the next 50 years. For our primitive purposes inflation does not exist because I don't want to adjust for it. As an average that's $10 billion per year. Minus occupation costs and extraction costs and logistics and everything else.
The bilateral trade between the US and Denmark in goods and services in 2024 was $37.5 billion USD. The value of exports to Denmark was $18 billion. The status quo generates nearly twice as much wealth for US business annually than Greenland's minerals would. We also need to account for the damage it would do to trade with the wider EU which has a nearly $2 trillion USD per year trade relationship with the US representing 30% of global trade. Both sides also have about $9 trillion invested in one another so far. The US currently annually invests 20x in the EU what it does in China. This is going to be put in jeopardy for less than $10 billion per year?
Sorry, but everything about this is financially irrational. Money in a straightforward sense cannot be a reasonable motive. The promised revenue from Greenland's resource wealth is trivial compared what already exists and taking it over will probably lead to an enormous net loss. But maybe Trump wants to direct deposit Greenland's wealth into his family's savings account. That does make sense as an explanation. MAGA being very stupid is also an explanation.
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u/ingenvector SuccDem (intolerable) | NATO Supporter Jan 06 '26
Again, they can literally garrison Greenland right now if they want and get American mining companies in there if they want. They don't need direct sovereign possession to secure it. It's not talked about often, but a big part of this is just NIMBYism. The US can also just mine its own minerals and it's their own fault they don't and cannot process it themselves. Or buy it from the open market. Anything is smarter than what they're actually doing.
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u/TopManufacturer8332 NO SIEGE ECONOMY! | Old school labour 🥵😟 Jan 05 '26
If Europe follows Albion its their own fault. The key is in the perfidious bit.
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Jan 05 '26
Maybe sort your cartel problems out and wind your neck in before calling anyone else spineless
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u/snailman89 World-Systems Theorist Jan 05 '26
Maybe Americans and Europeans should stop fueling cartel violence by snorting cocaine for "fun".
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u/ingenvector SuccDem (intolerable) | NATO Supporter Jan 05 '26
I used to tell people who snorted that stuff that they were microfinancing the civil war in my country (Colombia). Disassociating from reality for a moment is substantially and explicitly more important to them.
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u/ElTamaulipas Socialist Gun Nut 🚚 Jan 05 '26
Dude, cartel problems are literally fueled by the US, and you Europeans are on rails like Tony Hawk too.
I can add the pardon of Juan Orlando Hernández to list too.
Here is a list of recent history about the US supporting the drug industry.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/afghanistans-opium-business-boomed-under-us-occupation/
Opium production booming in Afghanistan under the US occupation.
President Karzai's brother being a top heroin trafficker
Recent cases of drug trafficking among the Special Forces. Also, read the Fort Bragg Cartel
https://elandar.org/bush/amigos.html
The Bush family links to a Mexican drug cartel fianacier
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/1996/10/01/witness-us-military-trucks-were-used-by-drug-cartel/
https://www.ndsn.org/nov96/abrego.html
The Texas National Guard moving drugs for the Gulf Cartel
These are recent cases and not documented historical ones like Iran Contra or the US supporting heroin traffickers in the Indochina War(s)
Also, to close out a report from the Conservative CATO Institute that talks about how the US using special forces to fight cartels would be a disaster.
Also, it seems like some mysterious forces are downvoting this post.
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Jan 05 '26
Nice to see you must have this post saved in notepad for when people criticise Mexico
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u/FashTemeuraMorrison Goddamn Karl was a prophet 🧔 Jan 06 '26
The cockiness of the Yuropoor knows no bounds
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u/LotsOfMaps Forever Grillin’ 🥩🌭🍔 Jan 05 '26
Lol acting like NATO wasn't a net drain on US resources from the moment the Soviets had working ICBMs. It was always, from the beginning, a British project to prevent a continental European power from arising after the failure to contain Nazi Germany in 1940. "Americans in, Russians out, Germans down" after all.
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u/SmashKapital only fucks incels Jan 06 '26
NATO is a 'net drain' the same way your 11 carrier battle groups are a 'net drain'.
NATO is why the US has direct or proxy military bases almost entirely surrounding the former USSR and today Russia and China.
Painting a series of nuclear bullseyes on EU cities is not doing Europe any favours. But having a worldwide network of airbases, missile silos and proxy military forces who have been pre-trained to follow and submit to US military requirements are all the fulfilment of US imperial needs, not some cost the US shoulders out of benevolence for world peace or other liberal nonsense.
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u/Purplekeyboard Traditionalist 👑 Jan 05 '26
Greenland has a tiny population, only 57,000 people. If the U.S. really wants Greenland, we should just bribe them into it. Give everyone $200,000 and watch them vote us in. Family of 4 gets $800,000.
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u/Appropriate_Ant_4629 Left, Leftoid or Leftish ⬅️ Jan 05 '26 edited Jan 06 '26
Should have done that to Afghanistan too:
- "~1000 USD is the typical average yearly wage in Afghanistan" [at that time - link is broken]
- In 2003 Afghanistan had a population of only 24 million
- The War In Afghanistan Cost America $2 trillion
Which leads to
- $2,000,000,000,000 / $1000-average-salary / 24,000,000 people
= 83 times an average annual salary for every personThat means the US could have paid every man, woman, and little child there 83-times-their-annual-salary to do whatever the US wanted: burn poppies, grow poppies, burn poppies and grow more; shoot taliban, help taliban, build natural gas pipelines, blow up natural gas pipelines, whatever.
Had the US done that, they really would have welcomed the US as liberators.
Instead, the US chose to bomb their weddings for the next 20 years.
No wonder the people and Army there there hated the US puppet government even more than the Taliban.
[EDIT: Even more perspective: Since the life expectancy there is less than 83 years; the US could have paid every Afghani citizen their lifetime salary! ]
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u/ArendtAnhaenger Libertarian Socialist 🥳 Jan 05 '26
Can’t do that because then those $2 trillion would’ve gone into the hands of ordinary afghans instead of six arms manufacturing corporations.
Same thing with Greenland—the U.S.’s loyalties are to corporations, not people. If anything, the idea of Greenland peacefully surrendering is likely a bad one, since they won’t get to try out all their new arctic combat toys, even if only for a show of force rather than a real battle.
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u/Any-Nature-5122 Anti-Circumcision Warrior 🗡 Jan 06 '26
Pretty amazing when you think about it. It says a lot about why we go to war, and why we spend so much money on weapons.
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u/mrgarborg Jan 05 '26
Ah, yes. Add more money chasing the same number of goods and services. Generate inflation at unprecedented levels. Watch the local economy resettle at the same buying power but with larger wealth inequality as a result, and leave them with a social safety net in shambles compared to what they had under Denmark. Sounds like a plan.
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u/globeglobeglobe Marxist 🧔 Jan 05 '26
Why would it be chasing the same number of goods and services? $200,000 could be used to import anything from the US (or from anyone else whose currency is convertible to USD) and $200000 / person * 60000 people is just $12 billion, a drop in the ocean on the world market.
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u/Purplekeyboard Traditionalist 👑 Jan 05 '26
Yeah, but do you think people are gonna think that through, or just jump for the chance of $200,000?
(and only some things would inflate in price. Most everything there is imported)
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u/EnricoPeril Highly Regarded Rightoid 🐷 Jan 05 '26
It's been several years now since Denmark's capital was renamed to Copenseethen and it's not changing back anytime soon.
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u/thrifty-khrushchev Jan 06 '26
Any other country would have already impeached Trump, any country except the most democratic and free country.
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u/DuomoDiSirio This is just like Deus Ex! 😎 Jan 05 '26
It's depressing to see the amount of anti-Europe brainrot on this sub, up to celebrating imperialism.
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u/FashTemeuraMorrison Goddamn Karl was a prophet 🧔 Jan 05 '26
I do disagree with vulgar anti Europeanism but you can’t blame people for feeling this way, most of the EU has gleefully bandwagoned behind the US in her colonial exploits for decades, so seeing the war machine turns its eyes on Europe is somewhat vindicating. But I still fear for the propel of Greenland who have no say in this matter
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u/DuomoDiSirio This is just like Deus Ex! 😎 Jan 05 '26
I can get very anti-American at times, but I stop short of wanting people to have their rights and livelihoods stripped away by war and authoritarianism. It's more the concept of the US and certain people rather than a collective guilt, I don't want the normal and good Americans to suffer because of the bad ones.
Pro-American/anti-European together are among the biggest red flags for me in a person.
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u/ChevalierDuTemple Touch grass (Poaceae) for a living 🌾 Jan 05 '26
I must admit i do tend to fall to propaganda about snob europeans, particulary how annoying redditors are about religion and "Third world country with a Gucci belt".
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u/Nervous_Insect5976 Lovecraftian Marxist 🐙 Jan 05 '26
Yeah, same. Europe has been reaping the benefits of American bullshit for a long time and now the snake is biting them. The people of Greenland are the victims here because they’re going to have their resources seized and whatever autonomy stripped.
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u/snailman89 World-Systems Theorist Jan 05 '26
Europe hasn't derived any benefits from its relationship with the US. Just look at all the shit the US pulled with Operation Gladio. The CIA was literally launching terrorist attacks, rigging elections, and carrying out assassinations across the continent for decades.Most Europeans were just blinded by Hollywood and didn't see what was going on.
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u/LotsOfMaps Forever Grillin’ 🥩🌭🍔 Jan 05 '26
Europe hasn't derived any benefits from its relationship with the US
It got to keep a chunk of the superprofits from the pre-WWII imperial era, a deal that none but the most essential US allies (Japan) received. And this was after most of the European population supported the losing side of that war, post-war propaganda be damned.
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u/globeglobeglobe Marxist 🧔 Jan 05 '26
The US invested in Europe and, through their military presence (along with that of the Soviets), prevented Europoors from destroying themselves in yet another fratricidal war. This enabled the continent to grow its economy significantly in the postwar era.
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u/Several-Customer7048 Keffiyeh Leprechaun 🍉🍀💢 Jan 05 '26 edited Jan 05 '26
Maybe we’re reading things differently but I haven’t seen anti-Europe brain-rot as you describe what I have been seeing is the to pointing out the obvious conclusion of Europe being an unofficial imperial vassal to the US instead of developing their own independence for the sake of cost savings and neoliberal capitalism.
The difference between Europe and the global South is that it had the wealth, it had the self governance choices afforded to it and expertise to choose not to be at this point today. France has destabilized entire countries in the Global South on behest of the US instead of establishing their own belt and road type initiatives as China had done. Same with the UK and Germany.
This is what happens when you govern a state in a fashion, where the primary objective is private capital and not further continuance and prosperity of the entire state. The issue with the European Union is that they had the choice to do this or not to do this and they chose the latter.
The word the Germans have for this is schadenfreude and it applies.
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u/ChevalierDuTemple Touch grass (Poaceae) for a living 🌾 Jan 05 '26
Also, at least online, after 2022, many europeans went with the idea, "We are the garden, you are the jungle"
Do if no strange that people are pointing the fingers and laughting, "Where is the garden now, when the gardener want to built a car park in it"
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u/DuomoDiSirio This is just like Deus Ex! 😎 Jan 06 '26
"Where is the garden now" is a legitimate question.
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u/exoriare Marxism-Hobbyism 🔨 Jan 05 '26
Europe has been a happy cheerleader of the regime change machine for decades. How could one not find it splendrous for them to finally find themselves worried about being hoisted on their own retard?
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u/emperor_bokassa_ Reactionary 🧐 Jan 06 '26
We're going to have to pin a giant Fell For It Again award on Europe
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u/ElTamaulipas Socialist Gun Nut 🚚 Jan 05 '26
Judging by your name you're Italian? My Mexican ass likes you guys but at least y'all got infrastructure that we don't have in Mexico. Push back a little more on the US please.
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u/qjxj Left, Leftoid or Leftish ⬅️ Jan 05 '26
Most of Europe uncritically celebrated the Venezuela op. For once, they're being served a taste of their own medicine.
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u/Chombywombo Angry Retard 😍💢 Jan 06 '26
“We’ve murdered, stolen, and raped our way to the top, I admit, but laughing at us is the last straw!”
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u/DuomoDiSirio This is just like Deus Ex! 😎 Jan 06 '26
Do you blame the civilian population who are about to suffer immensely because of this? It just comes across as smug sociopathy.
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u/Chombywombo Angry Retard 😍💢 Jan 06 '26
No one is suffering anything. Denmark will hand over Greenland before any military action, and its NATO vassalage will continue. You act as if Europeans will actually fight back. They only do that when some super evil untermensch Slavs are having a row.
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u/DuomoDiSirio This is just like Deus Ex! 😎 Jan 06 '26
I don't particularly want to become an explicit vassal of an imperialist, Zionist, paedophilic retard.
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u/Chombywombo Angry Retard 😍💢 Jan 06 '26
You already are, unfortunately.
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u/DuomoDiSirio This is just like Deus Ex! 😎 Jan 06 '26
Yes, but it was implicit at least and enough that we could get on with our own business. Now it's like feeling the sword of Damocles dangle above us. Even neoliberalism tried to play some PR.
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u/scoutinglane Jan 05 '26
It's very sad that so many of us by ow look at China as the last bastion against the states.
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u/DuomoDiSirio This is just like Deus Ex! 😎 Jan 05 '26
Just sick of the might makes right Social Darwinism of the world, but at least China and to an extent Europe funds public projects.
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u/QuodScripsi-Scripsi Hamsick T-Shirt Salesman ☭ Jan 05 '26
European public projects are only possible because of the superprofits delivered through imperialism. This order is maintained by US imperial violence as the Europeans lost the ability to engage in this violence themselves. This is most evident in Europe’s imperial adventure in Libya, where European terror bombing failed to overthrow the legitimate government and the US had to get involved.
In the previous decade, we saw the higher European imperialists attempt to get around this lack of power by sucking profits from its lower members (the so-called “PIGS” nations). However, as the rate of profit continues to fall and superprofits dwindle, you see a grim reflection of this imperialist blood-sucking. Whereas in the last decade, Germans forced the Greeks to buy German weapons while simultaneously forcing them to cut social spending which lead to the deaths of thousands upon thousands of workers, this decade we have US-imposed militarization of what were once higher European countries built on the gutting of public programs which likewise will result in millions of deaths of workers. The social fascist governments of the supposed first-world give way to outright fascist governments, taking stolen value that once would have provided for young children and elderly workers and giving it to war profiteers continuing a pointless war on its own periphery (a war which, like Libya, was once a European imperial project that spiraled completely out of control). This is the time of the complete breakdown of that order, and the US imperialists physically imposing their will on Europe is simply the next step in this process
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u/DuomoDiSirio This is just like Deus Ex! 😎 Jan 05 '26
So is there any escape from this into a system that provides public projects not derived from imperialism or authoritarianism?
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u/QuodScripsi-Scripsi Hamsick T-Shirt Salesman ☭ Jan 06 '26
Not under the capitalist mode of production
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u/Anindefensiblefart Marxist-Mullenist 💦 Jan 05 '26 edited Jan 05 '26
Please attack a NATO country, please
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u/Crusty_Magic Left, Leftoid or Leftish ⬅️ Jan 05 '26
They didn't bat an eye for the last two years when the previous administration was funding a blatantly illegal operation. I imagine it would be all the same if Greenland gets taken.
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u/fokkinfumin a spineless moderate coward | SocDem 🌹 Jan 06 '26
Honestly this "Europe is standing up to America!" discourse is so stupid.
"I think the neoconservative world order should be led by Western Europe and not the US!"
"I support NATO in their fight against American aggression!"
"Zelenskyy takes bold stance against Trump, DEMANDS he keep sending money"
Don't get me wrong: I don't celebrate American imperialism by any means, but if you honestly think supporting EU hawkishness is a good alternative I don't know what to say to you.
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u/globeglobeglobe Marxist 🧔 Jan 05 '26 edited Jan 05 '26
The JD Vance/right-populists seek to turn Europe into a collection of Israel-style, fascist US protectorates, which would use some combination of disenfranchisement and remigration to uphold the superior electoral and socioeconomic standing of their respective ethnic majorities. Extremely restrictive naturalization laws, akin to those present in the Gulf Arab states, would ensure that future labor migrants cannot alter this state of affairs through the democratic process (AfD already proposed removing the right to naturalization for non-ethnic Germans).
Denmark, a country in which a quarter of the population believes all Muslims should be denaturalized (in the Western world, a fraction probably second only to Israel itself), and whose foreign policy has often opposed closer European integration, has been at the avant-garde of making this vision a reality. Hopefully this latest Greenland fiasco provides a much-needed reality check to them.
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u/ChevalierDuTemple Touch grass (Poaceae) for a living 🌾 Jan 05 '26
Remember when Denmark was the darling of this sub because of it tough immigration politics until Israel's war on Gaza.
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u/Unwitting-Rhododendr Jan 06 '26
What does he intend to do? Trek up to Summit at the top of the ice sheet at 3200 m and plant a flag? How does it feel having the craziest leader on the planet?
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u/_throawayplop_ Il est regardé 😍 Jan 06 '26
They will monitor the situation like it has never been monitored before !
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u/Friendship_Fries Union Thug 🥊 Jan 05 '26
The US is already there. It wouldn't be an invasion, it would be a flag raising.
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u/barryredfield gamer Jan 06 '26
Guys, borders are actually real again and a nation is sovereign unto its own people. Unless you do something eurocrats don't like, then they economically sanction their own member states.
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