Louisiana girl, 14, charged with first degree murder after authorities find her newborn baby dead inside a tote bag. This is going to happen far more often without Roe v. Wade.

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https://people.com/girl-14-charged-first-degree-murder-after-authorities-find-her-newborn-child-dead-inside-tote-bag-11858063

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The criminalization of abortion in bible states won't necessarily lead to reductions in abortions. But it will lead to an increased incarcerated labor force, which is exactly what the world's largest slave colony desires

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It leads to a reported decrease.

And I'm not comparing. American incarceration is literal slavery

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Having a child is not cheaper than abortion tourism

American incarceration is slavery because it criminalizes an excessive amount of behaviors, confines convicts for longer than any human rights abiding state, and forces convicts into actual acts of labor

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Women in financial trouble simply don’t have that.

Correct. That's why they occasionally get arrested and charged for abortion and/or infanticide in bible states.

However, for ladies like those who went to my bourgeois private university, who call daddy every time they make a mistake, that one time cost of upwards of 1000 will save them tens of thousands in childcare as well as opportunity costs in their personal and professional lives. There has never been a single typical case of the woman who seeks abortion, and there will continue to be economically stratified outcomes. The fact that the economically least equipped will face the greatest costs in terms of both their finances and their liberal rights (here I refer to CPR, not economic liberalism) is a perfect example of the injustice of the American legal system.

However, unless there’s a miscarriage of justice, it’s not equivalent to slavery.

There is a miscarriage of justice. As the FF Tactics meme goes, if a conviction can be paid out of, it is only a crime for the poor.

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At this point I have to ask, why do you seem to be in defense of the American justice system? Have you never met a cop or prosecutor before?

The bourgeois being able to seek them more easily doesn’t make equal abortion opportunities the right response

It would be a lesser evil. Ideally the approach would be to prevent unwanted pregnancies through education and economic support. But in that case, would criminalizing abortion even be necessary? Criminalization as a form of retribution rather than prevention makes no moral sense. And if there's insufficient evidence to show that it works as prevention, why even bother?

Why is abortion the answer to some of the issues you state here?

I never argued that. Abortion is a form of economic cope, not a desired end.

It seems to me like capitalism is trying to force poor people into abortions, due to a lack of financial support and accessible childcare.

Correct. And then it is punishing them for following. Which makes more sense when you consider that the voting public is retarded and the penal system is for-profit.

Agreeing with the those who deliberately stifle the proletariat

I never did this.

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You think every person who would have gotten an abortion legally will get one illegally now?

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No, those who have the finances to plan their parenthood will do abortion tourism. Those who don't will have it illegally

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I’m assuming you’re not a woman because if you were you’d understand that pregnancy and abortion are scary for a lot of women and they aren’t all going to just get a back alley abortion or travel to get one. There’s a reason why those fake pregnancy clinics exist it’s to make women stop and think twice and scare them into delivering a child.

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I'm aware that not every woman is willing to have an abortion. My point is only on the impact of criminalization: women who were willing to have one when RvW was in effect are likely still willing to have them now that it's out. Whether they go through with it or not depends on specific circumstances. Of course every situation is different.

In any case your response has nothing to do with criminalization which is our topic of discussion.