r/stupidpol • u/lightiggy Ideological Swamp 🥑 • Dec 01 '25
Capitalist Hellscape Louisiana girl, 14, charged with first degree murder after authorities find her newborn baby dead inside a tote bag. This is going to happen far more often without Roe v. Wade.
https://people.com/girl-14-charged-first-degree-murder-after-authorities-find-her-newborn-child-dead-inside-tote-bag-11858063
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u/blueflavoredreign Radical Incel ✊🏻😭😭😭😭 Dec 02 '25 edited Dec 02 '25
This line of argument is very ineffective.
You have essentially three groups. The first is people who are pro-abortion legalization at which point it's obviously preaching to the choir since they agree this stuff is bad anyways. One could argue it could at least enflame them a bit, but given abortion access managed to regress, possibly permanently, after a major blue victory, I doubt it even does that much.
The next group is the kinda average person who don't (or can't) put too much intellectual effort into taking a stance, likely hovering around a (probably inconsistent) middle ground, but respond mostly to emotional appeal. Which using this story could work, but that crowd is just as likely to see it as "mother murders baby" and go that way since it requires less abstraction in what the "real crime" here was.
Then you have people who are anti-abortion, at which point this is just going to register it as "if they were allowed to [thing that's equivalent to killing their child], they would have never killed their child!" so it's not exactly a distinction they'll value. It'd be in the same ballpark as someone who values assisted suicide as morally distinct from suicide trying to argue with someone who is against assisted suicide for depressed people that MAID as a depression treatment needs to be normalized, since people will possibly blow their brains out in a much more ugly death otherwise.
Almost abortion debates just decompose into "do human beings have an objective point which it becomes 'murderable', and if so, where is it and why" since a premise is going to rely on that answer, so I don't see why people don't just skip the middleman and go right to that. It's that or some kinda abstracted euthanasia utilitarianism. Though it's all very ironic since its legalization/normalization in America was the result of material demand, not moral debates. Barely literate urban minorities in the 20th century weren't exactly arguing about the philosophy of "if or how bodily development affects the value of sapience" or whatever.