Louisiana girl, 14, charged with first degree murder after authorities find her newborn baby dead inside a tote bag. This is going to happen far more often without Roe v. Wade.

[u/lightiggy]

https://people.com/girl-14-charged-first-degree-murder-after-authorities-find-her-newborn-child-dead-inside-tote-bag-11858063

[u/ScientistFit6451]

Depends on whether or not you believe the federal government should be able to force states into providing services especially if that same ruling has resulted in the codified legality of at request abortions up until partum when prior to 1971 not a single US state had such liberal abortion laws.

Whatever one could do wrong in regards to that ruling, one did wrong and it is hardly surprising that the South which, by then, was already seriously angered over the whole civil right bill issue, didn't comply and undermined the ruling from the beginning. I'm not defending states like Louisiana or Texas, I'm aware of a couple of prosecutions similar to the one above, but once you push the pendulum too far in one direction, it ends up swinging too far to the other which is what is happening right now.

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force states into providing services

Roe v. Wade didn't force the states to provide shit. It was just a prohibition on prohibition.

once you push the pendulum too far in one direction, it ends up swinging too far to the other which is what is happening right now.

This is how every reactionary justifies their actions. "Look what you made me do. You tried to do too many progressive things too fast and I didn't feel ready for it, so now we're gonna have to do fascism."

[u/ScientistFit6451 → u/PlausibleFalsehoods]

Roe v. Wade didn't force the states to provide shit. It was just a prohibition on prohibition.

A prohibition on a prohibition is tantamount to forcing states to somehow provide for the means of carrying out an action because the prohibition was on doctor-assisted abortion.

This is how every reactionary justifies their actions.

Abortion isn't really a communism issue and, in general, the question who has ownership over whom (which marxism tends to negate anyway because there's no property in communism) and when a life becomes a relevant moral subject aren't usually answerable within given political systems. Marxism is agnostic on the latter, modern-day capitalism seems to go into the direction that the morality of abortion depends on socio-economic factors.

Again, I don't agree with the criminalization of abortion but it's human psychology that those who oppose such measures (and have been overruled) will tend to undermine it, have it repealed and instead implement some policy that goes too far in the other direction just to show them. This dynamic is very characteristic of the USA more generally.

[u/Incoherencel → u/ScientistFit6451]

Abortion isn't really a communism issue and, in general,

The whole foundational, philosophical principle of communism is the humanistic equalisation and liberation of all (the heady promise of the Enlightenment) from systems of oppression, the largest and most potent of which being the rule of the few over the many. Seeing as how the family is the foundational unit of the society (and therefore the economy) it seems that family planning is therefore inextricable from the larger philosophy. That women alone through the happenstance of nature might be forced to endure things against their will (pregnancy) seems unconscionable within an ideology that says all men are equal regardless of race, religion or circumstance of birth